tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-75486266980504409072024-03-13T07:20:46.964+00:00TwentyOne SevenRoots Notes - jottings on my own family histories, on Jewish genealogy, on genealogy in general, and on ways of telling our family stories.Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.comBlogger79125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-63607330602488506952022-01-27T18:16:00.004+00:002022-01-27T22:48:51.662+00:00A small town in the mountains<p><b>Rabka Zdroj<br /></b>A few weeks ago we visited Rabka Zdroj, a small spa town in the lower reaches of the Polish Tatra mountains. We were going for the wedding of two friends, and until they said 'Rabka', I had never even heard of the place. So we tried to find out a bit about the town and its history - <a href="https://sztetl.org.pl/en/towns/r/818-rabka-zdroj/99-history/137913-history-of-community">this Virtual Shtetl site</a> is a good source.</p><p>I wasn't particularly expecting to find any Jewish assoications there, and indeed we read that there were very few Jews in Rabka during the 19C. The town was developing as a spa resort for the middle classes of the regional capital Krakow, some 100km to the north, and a few Jews came there seeking work or to set up small businesses in the tourism trade. By the 1930s, there was a holiday hostel for Jewish children, and a small wooden synagogue. A few Jews owned small hotels or guest houses.</p><div style="text-align: left;"><b>The Synagogue</b></div><div style="text-align: left;">It's the long, low wooden building second from the right, dating from the 1890s. The photo seems to be from the early 1900s. It was destroyed by the Germans, along with the Jewish population that used it, and until very recently few people in the town knew where it had been located.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEixEXdlvFV-r0B1G-jL0aUKwWmL6tY7r3dO2XqD5P_Y0a-c01HnBW4IibFgJ-etb4G6y9MAsYsimJztIibLvzgdsmLKSQWSlDdvGRxQ4qXwcjkbklWcTpjHF5T5szEpftiKv6sFfe2yQomVOlvEqGb-UYJyBU6Of5LEphlHIt_Oy2ugTmT1gyYXTFh7Zw=s2680" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2010" data-original-width="2680" height="300" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEixEXdlvFV-r0B1G-jL0aUKwWmL6tY7r3dO2XqD5P_Y0a-c01HnBW4IibFgJ-etb4G6y9MAsYsimJztIibLvzgdsmLKSQWSlDdvGRxQ4qXwcjkbklWcTpjHF5T5szEpftiKv6sFfe2yQomVOlvEqGb-UYJyBU6Of5LEphlHIt_Oy2ugTmT1gyYXTFh7Zw=w400-h300" width="400" /></a></div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;"><b>The Villa</b></div><div style="text-align: left;">It turned out that our friends had booked us in to stay in one one of these pre-War guest houses, Willa Katarzyna on Poniartowski Street, the main street that runs alongside the River Raba. It's a large family home which had been converted to a guest house in the 1930s. The tourist trade had taken a long time to recover after the War, but the owners have recently re-established the villa as a guest house, and very fine it is too.</div><div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiAPkLqfUMey2QHNqaVrfSmjLT3syi67ag1-bY9khr63o2l5tzwMAuZJGuS8XH_GcC43pI41-1Yymnu4NO2YwBXFGtYb6g1WglWHHFQlGwmSb1DOtQLylYeh2kc0b27UCwd2IsU7ZUU8oi-b55mSHRTqLfoafNlTBaXBdICt0goYCO1PjxcxiQXl1-gbA=s4032" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="300" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiAPkLqfUMey2QHNqaVrfSmjLT3syi67ag1-bY9khr63o2l5tzwMAuZJGuS8XH_GcC43pI41-1Yymnu4NO2YwBXFGtYb6g1WglWHHFQlGwmSb1DOtQLylYeh2kc0b27UCwd2IsU7ZUU8oi-b55mSHRTqLfoafNlTBaXBdICt0goYCO1PjxcxiQXl1-gbA=w400-h300" width="400" /></a></div><p>As we were leafing through the brochures on our first evening there, and checking across to the Virtual Shtetl website, we noticed something that made our blood run cold. When the Germans occupied the town in 1939, they commandeered 3 of the grand villas on Poniatowski Street, and from 1941 started using them as barracks for a forced labour camp housing some 100 Jewish prisoners.</p><p>We were almost certainly staying in one of these buildings.</p><p><b>The College</b><br />That wasn't all. The prisoners were put to work extending the building of a local Catholic college, that was to be turned into a Regional Training Centre for the security police - the SS. The 'students' were young Germans and Ukrainians. They were being taught to torture and to kill.</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhCh5knKT53u86I1UEAaO_krreFzFZYr8lvYnFbTEXhSvVhzNeRsN6CF0uz5nHkiViVFy13wPjTPpocZZUjs8q-2wOIUN6XTVtIV1oXRT6ojKJkiZ0CBjS9SmsOrbK_kHwYFYQg_ISPkmiT77lA4cnD-T6nUmNPg45RGZ5tAwA4u8ana-14fPzixn7wHA=s4032" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="300" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhCh5knKT53u86I1UEAaO_krreFzFZYr8lvYnFbTEXhSvVhzNeRsN6CF0uz5nHkiViVFy13wPjTPpocZZUjs8q-2wOIUN6XTVtIV1oXRT6ojKJkiZ0CBjS9SmsOrbK_kHwYFYQg_ISPkmiT77lA4cnD-T6nUmNPg45RGZ5tAwA4u8ana-14fPzixn7wHA=w400-h300" width="400" /></a></div><p>And there's more. The college - once more a Catholic school - is situated on the outskirts of town. There's a sign on the street that goes past the school, pointing to the Jewish Cemetery. A path leads past the school into the surrounding forest. 100 metres or so into the woods there's a clearing, with a familiar sight on the far side - an iron railing, and an iron gate with a Star of David symbol.</p><p><b></b></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><b><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgI4i-jh3noFwhxdPgEE4Uxsh7GRzjP9J82gVyVBiX5f_gN8DCwcsW6ASos3iGuXhk8VlxZw_skBkhfAVCuq68h5ll3GhInW4dQfKmJolAfbeNChrWu5VXqkBqYhD_IIsec2KerFrQ6VUljvYezPXGH8t5l9lGwx8sGbcGQZKA8zkBL99A2JjiaTqUhCA=s4032" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="300" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgI4i-jh3noFwhxdPgEE4Uxsh7GRzjP9J82gVyVBiX5f_gN8DCwcsW6ASos3iGuXhk8VlxZw_skBkhfAVCuq68h5ll3GhInW4dQfKmJolAfbeNChrWu5VXqkBqYhD_IIsec2KerFrQ6VUljvYezPXGH8t5l9lGwx8sGbcGQZKA8zkBL99A2JjiaTqUhCA=w400-h300" width="400" /></a></b></div><b><br />The Cemetery</b><br />Inside, there's a memorial rather like the one we have in the Jewish Cemetery in Gombin, fashioned from whatever broken bits of gravestones have been found scattered around the town. They had been uprooted by the Germans, and were often used as paving stones or hard-standing; some had been brought in by people who had come across them in their own gardens.<p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjtrh8DOVgbCZgAPy3CRkqpOOz-Xl2Wgoc8bv00E-hrilzsPN1xR5jE1-v-lG7F_RJzTBWhBAt4_8yn_OuYIjNP4dpqoDxZyLth0hbbcrP0g6RWXPOJhPkqO5fEDgazm3EZhEIIqVx-Y4yOlAch8fxXA9_dSlXk4OP2CGbxZt6T1bMmzoAe_QrFnkx9Dw=s3840" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2160" data-original-width="3840" height="225" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjtrh8DOVgbCZgAPy3CRkqpOOz-Xl2Wgoc8bv00E-hrilzsPN1xR5jE1-v-lG7F_RJzTBWhBAt4_8yn_OuYIjNP4dpqoDxZyLth0hbbcrP0g6RWXPOJhPkqO5fEDgazm3EZhEIIqVx-Y4yOlAch8fxXA9_dSlXk4OP2CGbxZt6T1bMmzoAe_QrFnkx9Dw=w400-h225" width="400" /></a></div><p>But this is not an ordinary cemetery. It's an execution site and a mass grave. There were a series of mass executions there through the Spring of 1942, in the course of which over 200 Jews were slaughtered. The bodies were dumped straight into newly-dug ditches across the site. These atrocities were doubtless carried out by the "students" at the police college, under the direction of their "teachers". The ditches would have been dug by the Jewish prisoners, who at the end of the day would probably also have been shot and buried in the ditches they had just dug.</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjz1q3Ujjf-Dx3Sb6UJs0ofb4S0ThWFxGYHbAdkDgLVux5yibv7y3I1_VDdfOY12EaL3CM1TlMjjm0mPmtekVpUBdJgc8zqSZkoGbybUf51Oq4THSJEHGWdizW4ZOUqsaMJlkwC6-FnbUGTbLh_sRcN1Hc7rPDgv_xypZs7PdjbLzkKOQyKR3j0JoBf9w=s4032" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="300" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjz1q3Ujjf-Dx3Sb6UJs0ofb4S0ThWFxGYHbAdkDgLVux5yibv7y3I1_VDdfOY12EaL3CM1TlMjjm0mPmtekVpUBdJgc8zqSZkoGbybUf51Oq4THSJEHGWdizW4ZOUqsaMJlkwC6-FnbUGTbLh_sRcN1Hc7rPDgv_xypZs7PdjbLzkKOQyKR3j0JoBf9w=w400-h300" width="400" /></a></div><p>A group of local people has been researching these events, and has set up a memorial to the victims.</p><p>May their dear souls rest in peace.</p>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-51823555752829264722021-06-10T20:12:00.000+01:002021-06-10T20:12:48.685+01:00Moshe Chaim, Czar of Pinsk: #24 Charting the Matches<p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><b><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">The DNA Match Tree</span></b></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhVAdMr5nwLYt_gFseDpoZ4RRKAf-i8slKQMlEwNPXkzFvROV9JJASTwrj01dP00-KSx57TITKcSg0M7nU_IGLOKnmMNeOa54wZKxe7WPi8hyXrj7dNkYi4X-1WjeRya8_5ZclpbctCpr0x/s1110/Zaturensky+matches+chart+v6.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="502" data-original-width="1110" height="290" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhVAdMr5nwLYt_gFseDpoZ4RRKAf-i8slKQMlEwNPXkzFvROV9JJASTwrj01dP00-KSx57TITKcSg0M7nU_IGLOKnmMNeOa54wZKxe7WPi8hyXrj7dNkYi4X-1WjeRya8_5ZclpbctCpr0x/w640-h290/Zaturensky+matches+chart+v6.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br />This is what the family tree of my Zaturensky DNA matches currently looks like. You'll have to click on the chart to see a legible version. It shows our patriarch, Chaim Zaturensky, at the top, then his two sons, Movsha (orange) and Meir (blue). Movsha is shown with the two wives that we think we know of: *Chana to the left in light orange, and <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2021/05/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-21-sura-cited.html">Sura</a> to the right in yellow. <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/07/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-15-beila.html">*Chana has an asterisk</a> because I'm not really sure that's her name. Movsha and Sura are my great-great-grandparents, and I am 4 generations down from them, in yellow with a red border. </span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">My DNA cousins are shown in the colours of their great-grandparents, and with the strength of their DNA relationship to me. All the matches are on the <a href="https://www.ancestry.co.uk/dna/insights/97D4A5B2-F14D-4B32-8A0C-9BB8D5A26D3D" target="_blank">AncestryDNA</a> platform, apart from one. Ancestry has a number of plus points - a huge clientele, a massive database of historical records, and many thousands of family trees submitted by users. However it is - to say the least - somewhat lacking in tools for analysing your DNA matches. So much so that this project would never have got off the ground - it would never even have occurred to me - without a crucial clue provided by a wonderful tool on a third-party platform: Auto-Clusters by Evert-Jan Blom of <a href="https://www.geneticaffairs.com">Genetic Affairs</a>.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span><b><span style="color: #38761d;">The Cluster</span></b><br /></span>The idea behind clusters is simple, and it doesn't even need to analyse your DNA. You just try to put your matches together in groups where each person also matches each of the others in that group. In other words, every member of the group is related to all the others. All you're looking at is whether someone appears on someone else's list of matches, without reference to the closeness of that relationship, so some of the relationships might be quite distant. But they are real. Evert-Jan Blom's Auto-Clusters did this automatically for you. I say 'did', because shortly after I used it on my AncestryDNA matches a year or so ago, Ancestry issued him with a 'Cease and Desist' notice, and he had to stop offering it.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">You could think of these clusters as extended-family groups. Once you start tracing back from the members of the cluster, they might point you towards a common ancestor. If you're lucky. And if you're really lucky, that common ancestor may not be too far back, and you may be able to identify them using the usual genealogical methods.</span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgcOnf0gHD4gHFKINmKdOkrWL9vSi4yw4RhaH_b0pKQzJE1hpJ4hekPRAZma9Po7ejpLiYx1Y5Z8usavkzlQdudb0EtwEi84fzEsLbjKDgFudGK8LlZQQ7ysr1JXqmTWDedh4mDGDKWiLfG/s358/Green+Cluster.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="358" data-original-width="358" height="200" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgcOnf0gHD4gHFKINmKdOkrWL9vSi4yw4RhaH_b0pKQzJE1hpJ4hekPRAZma9Po7ejpLiYx1Y5Z8usavkzlQdudb0EtwEi84fzEsLbjKDgFudGK8LlZQQ7ysr1JXqmTWDedh4mDGDKWiLfG/w200-h200/Green+Cluster.png" width="200" /></span></a></div><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Which is more or less what happened here. A well-formed but mysterious cluster of seven matches led me to the Trees that the members of the cluster had put up. Some of them were quite sparse and tentative, but nevertheless they were full of clues which guided much of the subsequent research.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">The Network</span></b><br />And here we are. The original Green Cluster of 7 matches has now become a network of some 20 cousins, all descended from Chaim Zaturensky. Note that not all of them are shown in this chart - there are a few who I have not been able to locate on the Tree with certainty, and there's also a pair of siblings, of whom I'm only showing one. Nobody - least of all me - was aware of the structure of the family; in fact I knew nothing except for the family name, which needless to say, nobody else knew.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Very few people were aware of the existence of cousins outside their own branch, and those that did, the knowledge was exceedingly vague. The branches of the family had drifted apart over succeeding generations, notwithstanding the concerted move from Pinsk to Peoria to Los Angeles which we have charted during the course of these posts.</span></p><p><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>The Branches</b></span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEilUXUSPngFtNRIlldqsAC7LVVowQodfkSLE5hS4VKVerZIEhNZj2Iie-c6XheqyDUK_1YqVOJpLQnTVYNPlta9R1dr_gyusWy2-ni7vJtGJ12UrWqwbdVQ1T4jh4UOZtr5DzJIK5nIoSVE/s1176/Movsha-Chana+chart.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1176" data-original-width="990" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEilUXUSPngFtNRIlldqsAC7LVVowQodfkSLE5hS4VKVerZIEhNZj2Iie-c6XheqyDUK_1YqVOJpLQnTVYNPlta9R1dr_gyusWy2-ni7vJtGJ12UrWqwbdVQ1T4jh4UOZtr5DzJIK5nIoSVE/w538-h640/Movsha-Chana+chart.png" width="538" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /><b><span style="color: #38761d;">The Oranges</span></b><br />Here's my relationship to the descendants of Movsha and *Chana, the orange cousins. They had 3 children that I know of, *Beila (see <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/07/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-15-beila.html">The Beila Hypothesis</a>), Dora and Joseph. I have located 2 DNA Cousins for each of *Beila and Dora, and none as yet for Joseph. They will all be 3rd Cousins of some sort to me, as they share descendancy from my great-great-grandfather Movsha; however, since these cousins do not share my great-great-grandmother Sura, they are half-cousins to me:</span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">DP and PB are ½3C, as they are the same generation as me<br />KS and JM are ½3C1R (once-removed), as they are a generation below me</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">We also have to take into consideration that Ashkenazi Jews are a historically endogamous population, marrying within the community across many centuries. This has led to them sharing much more 'background' DNA with each other than is the case in other, non-endogamous, populations. This could become significant in cases where one person in a match has two AJ parents, and so has 100% AJ DNA, and the other has one AJ and one non-AJ, and will thus have 50% AJ DNA. As a consequence, this second person will have inherited less of the 'background' DNA, and the match will (usually) show a lower overall centiMorgan (cM) count.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">All the matches in the Movsha-*Chana group have 100% Ashkenazi Jewish DNA, apart from DP; his father was a Zaturensky descendant, his mother was not Jewish, and so he has around 50% AJ DNA. I have denoted this with a dotted border, so that it is easier to take into account visually on the chart when comparing the strength of the matches. At first sight the cM figures for this group seem to fit in with what my research is telling me - DP matches me at 65 cM, roughly half the level of PB (138 cM), who is 100% AJ. And the matches in the following generation, KS (58 cM) and JM (31 cM), would be expected to share about half the overall amount of DNA with me that someone in PB's generation does, as they only inherit half their DNA from their Zaturensky parents. JM's figure is a bit lower, but it doesn't alter the general picture, as the amount of DNA people share in the 3C-4C range can be quite erratic.</span></p><p><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>The Greens</b></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg1txBh51SmjiYzE6c4DVXZlEuqXxeSStsP0e9ggu_BjJ7jYA9sFl6BMGVNXW0sOMZnP-H6ed8RYnuW0BP36i0GE0agPrtVSZNN4rtV2rLXyAiessippkfQj-TwUFc1eomG3D2T5NwO4KQz/s1176/Movsha-Sura+chart+v2.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1176" data-original-width="1038" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg1txBh51SmjiYzE6c4DVXZlEuqXxeSStsP0e9ggu_BjJ7jYA9sFl6BMGVNXW0sOMZnP-H6ed8RYnuW0BP36i0GE0agPrtVSZNN4rtV2rLXyAiessippkfQj-TwUFc1eomG3D2T5NwO4KQz/w564-h640/Movsha-Sura+chart+v2.png" width="564" /></span></a></div><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">This group are my closest cousins, descendants of my 2g-g'parents Movsha and Sura. They had 2 children that we know of, my g-g'm Shprintsa, and a son Shmuel. So these cousins are full 3Cs to me through Shmuel, but they are also related to me via Shmuel's wife, his first cousin Rochel Leah, daughter of Movsha's brother Meir. Which means our common ancestor is Chaim, the family patriarch. Chaim is my 3g-g'f, so these cousins are 4C to me via this route. To denote this dual relationship, via both the yellow and the blue branches, I have painted them green. Of course.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">RM and PL are in my generation, and are 3C + 4C to me. RM has a non-AJ mother, yet the strength of her match to me (126 cM) is virtually the same as PL's. RM's sister's match to me, not shown in this chart, is about 20 cM lower.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">GM, meanwhile, is one generation above me in the Tree, though there are only 3 years between us. He has a correspondingly stronger match with me (184 cM), and is my 2C1R + 3C1R. And yes, he's the original '<a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-1-who-is.html">Private Morris</a>', the mystery match whose appearance near the top of my AncestryDNA list set me off on this trail a year and a bit ago.</span></p><p><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>The Blues</b></span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgYphO0uPOT-E936MArwjTa04NwpVM44PXmVW10ySLF7Je_Me1sZN7SocpFY1gTVst08_DOOdLAbnF7KxRZT7B0o_4i3n1i59_rqoOCPhsv4jhgsaQ4SCBg96QSpjGylklyxgujIDh7c3MH/s1260/Meir+chart+v2.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1176" data-original-width="1260" height="598" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgYphO0uPOT-E936MArwjTa04NwpVM44PXmVW10ySLF7Je_Me1sZN7SocpFY1gTVst08_DOOdLAbnF7KxRZT7B0o_4i3n1i59_rqoOCPhsv4jhgsaQ4SCBg96QSpjGylklyxgujIDh7c3MH/w640-h598/Meir+chart+v2.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">The final group, the blue group, is composed of the descendants of Movsha's brother Meir. We've already seen the family of Rochel Leah; her siblings are Benjamin (Berl), Joseph and Sarah. I have not yet seen any descendants of Joseph coming up as DNA matches, but there are 4 from Benjamin, from 3 of his children, and 3 from Sarah, from 2 of hers. These are all one step further away from me than the descendants of Movsha; our common ancestor is my 3g-g'f Chaim.</span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">DR, DB and MG are all in my own generation, so they are straight 4Cs to me. DR and MG share similar amounts of DNA with me, although MG is 100% AJ and DR is not. DB comes in as a lower match to me, although she has a higher proportion of AJ DNA than DR. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Something similar seems to be happening in the following generation, where both JR and CK, my 4C1Rs, have quite low proportions of AJ DNA, and yet CK shares considerably more with me than JR. And also in the generation above, my 3C1Rs DM and HH: DM is 50% AJ, HH is 100%, and yet my match with DM is considerably stronger.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">These sound like anomalies, where the numbers don't come out as we might expect them to. However, I think all these apparent discrepancies can be put down to the vagaries of random inheritance. That's what makes us all different.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span><b><span style="color: #38761d;">The Next Steps</span></b><br />Unfortunately, at the moment we can't take the DNA analysis any further on AncestryDNA. U</span><span>nlike the other companies I have my results on, they do not provide us with a Chromosome Browser, which makes it impossible to check the locations of our matching segments, and maybe find others who match us in the same places. Nor can we check how our matches match each other. This is a great pity, as all bar one of my Zaturensky matches appear to have their results uniquely on Ancestry.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">There may, of course, be other members of the family who have tested with other companies. At the moment I have my DNA data on <a href="https://www.familytreedna.com" target="_blank">FTDNA</a>, <a href="https://www.myheritage.com/dna/" target="_blank">MyHeritage</a>, <a href="https://www.gedmatch.com" target="_blank">GedMatch</a>, <a href="https://livingdna.com/uk/" target="_blank">LivingDNA</a>, and <a href="https://en.geneanet.org" target="_blank">Geneanet</a>, and I look forward to finding more of them there.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">I am in contact with many of my new-found Zaturensky cousins, and will be sharing the full version of the Tree with them. Doubtless there will be many corrections and additions to make. There may even be further branches out there somewhere - our 'patriarch' Chaim may well have had siblings, and he may have had more children than the two we know of, Movsha and Meir.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">And if you think you are connected with us, whether through DNA or not, please have a look at what I have on <a href="https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/171597802/family/familyview?cfpid=162226179318" target="_blank">my Ancestry Tree</a>, and let me know!</span></p>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-38206502138325064612021-05-19T23:45:00.000+01:002021-05-19T23:45:22.186+01:00Moshe Chaim, Czar of Pinsk: #23 The Slow Road<p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">To the South</span></b><br /></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiqfBpkdWDmrs7qDYGFloHr4SvzSS0In6SiZdZqKd9jXLMYao7bVch6CgeLgHuH-47hSfPAE-wUlb38nue3DzkKBf3vp7jplSG5cCHySZ6Ite3kjT0bOJ03NePgCSTC81EZyWGkLrC-LMuy/s1528/Zaturenskys+Lyubishev.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1392" data-original-width="1528" height="584" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiqfBpkdWDmrs7qDYGFloHr4SvzSS0In6SiZdZqKd9jXLMYao7bVch6CgeLgHuH-47hSfPAE-wUlb38nue3DzkKBf3vp7jplSG5cCHySZ6Ite3kjT0bOJ03NePgCSTC81EZyWGkLrC-LMuy/w640-h584/Zaturenskys+Lyubishev.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Lyubishev</span></b><span><br />75km to the south-west of Pinsk lies Lyubishev, a small town just across the Ukranian border. There were strong connections between the Jewish communities of these two towns; I know for instance that there were Schreibman families, who may or may not be related to mine, that moved back and forth from one to the other. So it is not surprising to see a Zaturensky link too. Ester Portnoi, the wife of Meer's son Joseph, was born there, as she states on the birth record of their son Maier in 1909:</span></span><p></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEizVl-urnOcTwgQcqhyf4F1hVx2ZZ8wnLdJDpw0RtRo14JMcj-WAfm2WdKHEA7K-_FmTQYWLyhbalGO4K3QjtS7AkEl1tK21ZPVf0gsEagg5dRgASK27wj-Yy86FAHPbdG-PaKourlrDng0/s528/Ester+Portnoi+1909+b+Maier+b+LUBISCHOW.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="186" data-original-width="528" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEizVl-urnOcTwgQcqhyf4F1hVx2ZZ8wnLdJDpw0RtRo14JMcj-WAfm2WdKHEA7K-_FmTQYWLyhbalGO4K3QjtS7AkEl1tK21ZPVf0gsEagg5dRgASK27wj-Yy86FAHPbdG-PaKourlrDng0/s320/Ester+Portnoi+1909+b+Maier+b+LUBISCHOW.png" width="320" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">As we have seen, <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2021/04/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-18-cousins.html">on her passenger manifest in 1907</a> it also appears as her last residence before emigrating to the USA, which suggests that she might have been staying there with her parents after Joseph emigrated in 1904.</span><p></p><p><b><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Moving North</span></b></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQyEUgTK4YUFRzCoFDUxdaig_hsBv4yEFmZ7Lu6wrQkztaDXI5sayaIcmsYwWaC8Pg19M5AlycZKtt-kk1lNL-Q2ceTC5REWC5-QshSgQ0S5RKDeLrSwJmEGTCRYleyk1tL7VJZbAEIxUE/s1918/Zaturenskys+northern+BLR+v2.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1540" data-original-width="1918" height="514" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQyEUgTK4YUFRzCoFDUxdaig_hsBv4yEFmZ7Lu6wrQkztaDXI5sayaIcmsYwWaC8Pg19M5AlycZKtt-kk1lNL-Q2ceTC5REWC5-QshSgQ0S5RKDeLrSwJmEGTCRYleyk1tL7VJZbAEIxUE/w640-h514/Zaturenskys+northern+BLR+v2.png" width="640" /></a></span></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Nesvizh</span></b><br />However, soon after Joseph left, Ester appears to have been living in Nesvizh, which is 160km to the north of Pinsk, and is at bottom right of this map. On her passenger manifest, Ester names the town as the birthplace of their daughter Leia in 1905:</span><p></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgMk-bC-K_05ElT3IdEJfwhFE7mpjmXMZBwtVZUyrajLIiyqH0rFe_hfISKpk8-fYBbyeffLfhdnnSY_87GHjgYGwHsXAVzosCgIoNTBCssKw9DkLj6mYAoPJmPJtKlAmZ5iXGj22HLUT2S/s528/Ester+Saturansky+%2526+Leia+1907+b+NESWISH.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="186" data-original-width="528" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgMk-bC-K_05ElT3IdEJfwhFE7mpjmXMZBwtVZUyrajLIiyqH0rFe_hfISKpk8-fYBbyeffLfhdnnSY_87GHjgYGwHsXAVzosCgIoNTBCssKw9DkLj6mYAoPJmPJtKlAmZ5iXGj22HLUT2S/s320/Ester+Saturansky+%2526+Leia+1907+b+NESWISH.png" width="320" /></span></a></div><p></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">As we have discussed, <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2021/05/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-20-zaturya.html">Nesvizh is the Zaturensky town</a>, the closest urban centre to the original family village Zatur'ya. There may have been family members who had not moved to Pinsk, and were still living in Nesvizh. Maybe Joseph and Ester moved there after they married. Unfortunately, Joseph's own manifest doesn't offer us any of this information. It just says his last residence was London - but then that's what it says for all 30 people on the page. I presume that just means they all arrived in London from wherever, and waited a few days there until they managed to get on this boat from Southampton. Oh, and he had $20 in his pocket.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Baranovichi</span></b><br />The other three places on the map refer to the family of Joseph's brother, Berl/Benjamin. The earliest is for his son 'Charles Henry', who arrived in the US with his mother Friede in 1906. As we have noticed, <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2021/04/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-18-cousins.html">their names are almost obliterated</a> on the copy of the form that we have, but it looks as though his original name could have been 'Izak'. In some later documents he appears as 'Isadore'. According to the manifest he was 3 years old at the time, so he would have been born around 1903.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">When Charles applied for US Naturalisation in 1927, he stated that he had been born in Baranovichi:</span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhRYsVVH-ziDcTCdbd9csPnHmvuB7RYdYkscih8-U3HOQIORoaEYXGpLQyN2hCdRA0PV2KUha-XHq6s8zbPJ93ctQv-hz62dT5vorjhuTSszB1Rc0rQVxIob6gZ6tyjZmsVAopHxk8csEY3/s1536/1927+Isadore+Charles+Herman+Terensky+b+BAR+US+Nat+1927.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="136" data-original-width="1536" height="56" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhRYsVVH-ziDcTCdbd9csPnHmvuB7RYdYkscih8-U3HOQIORoaEYXGpLQyN2hCdRA0PV2KUha-XHq6s8zbPJ93ctQv-hz62dT5vorjhuTSszB1Rc0rQVxIob6gZ6tyjZmsVAopHxk8csEY3/w640-h56/1927+Isadore+Charles+Herman+Terensky+b+BAR+US+Nat+1927.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span><br />Baranovichi is at the bottom centre of the map, and is the nearest substantial town to Nesvizh, some 50km to the west. </span><span>In fact, we learn from the birth record of their son Morris, b 1910, that Friede - Fanny in the US - had herself been born in Baranovichi:</span></span><p></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEih_QnB5SkC5bOl2uIXkJDc8cwhOGShaATt640DzwHduH4QKPDHYJ8dUMbAGxnPAd0R1UGkbHUuy6S6r6sNJb3uAORl3rCCcbM5_N7RiaBy_PftW9g1XD_6HzVdwDe2JWXBa3A6KI7O2g-a/s926/1910+Morris+Tolensky+b+1910+m+b+Branovitch.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="330" data-original-width="926" height="143" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEih_QnB5SkC5bOl2uIXkJDc8cwhOGShaATt640DzwHduH4QKPDHYJ8dUMbAGxnPAd0R1UGkbHUuy6S6r6sNJb3uAORl3rCCcbM5_N7RiaBy_PftW9g1XD_6HzVdwDe2JWXBa3A6KI7O2g-a/w400-h143/1910+Morris+Tolensky+b+1910+m+b+Branovitch.png" width="400" /></span></a></div><p></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">So in the period 1904-05, both Joseph and Berl - or at least, their wives - were living in or fairly near to Nesvizh, in the centre of Belarus.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Vseliub</span></b><br />Charles, then, was born in Baranovichi in February 1904. A few months later his father Berl is on the boat from Antwerp to New York, saying his last place of residence was "Selip":</span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgwHQwAKRc5wc9osWextyGvmBl_yyw3UjUhbqVNrgcxZQC1JbHWwgnJj1uh0OO4jNgr_hTB7uYZDK2QL0FO4SRIEzdvnJ_wpKCNfWlbE-KO-VCuXIXuoXS5N9COIccnyRmuc0eJnD8xgb5J/s396/1904+Berl+Zateransky+1904+ANT-NYC+from+SELIP+%253F.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="146" data-original-width="396" height="74" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgwHQwAKRc5wc9osWextyGvmBl_yyw3UjUhbqVNrgcxZQC1JbHWwgnJj1uh0OO4jNgr_hTB7uYZDK2QL0FO4SRIEzdvnJ_wpKCNfWlbE-KO-VCuXIXuoXS5N9COIccnyRmuc0eJnD8xgb5J/w200-h74/1904+Berl+Zateransky+1904+ANT-NYC+from+SELIP+%253F.png" width="200" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">The only town I can find that seems to fit is Vseliub, which is about 100km to the north of Nesvizh. It lies between the larger towns of Novogrudok and Lida, and is well out of Nesvizh's sphere of influence. I was dubious about this at first, although Vseliub is the sort of small town that people from elsewhere wouldn't even have heard of - so if someone gives it as their last place of residence they must have a reason for doing so.</span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Radun</span></b><br />Then I saw his wife's manifest. Friede left a couple of years later, in October 1906, with the 3 year-old 'Charles', travelling from Antwerp to Quebec in Canada. This, by the way, could explain how come, when Charles's wife was the informant on his death certiciate in 1979, she said he had been born in Montreal. On the manifest Friede says their last place of residence was Radun:</span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj8TDfFV5JeU0dbQ5i7gpdhDUb8pTVTq8Y2O4PEjdhgjtOg92Dh3Pi2zUEU5-6nEaZ5uH70x-b68mYjuUlIml0xCIcPKlQz7XrOZ1xRcuYsRJTxPpcUkOcKGaxmHOapCdeiP1mmzBKHEHCn/s850/1906+Friede+Zaturansky+1906+from+RADUN.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="192" data-original-width="850" height="45" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj8TDfFV5JeU0dbQ5i7gpdhDUb8pTVTq8Y2O4PEjdhgjtOg92Dh3Pi2zUEU5-6nEaZ5uH70x-b68mYjuUlIml0xCIcPKlQz7XrOZ1xRcuYsRJTxPpcUkOcKGaxmHOapCdeiP1mmzBKHEHCn/w200-h45/1906+Friede+Zaturansky+1906+from+RADUN.png" width="200" /></a></span></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Now I've nothing against Radun, and I must admit I know very little about it, but it is probably fair to say it is the least significant place we've yet come across, barring maybe Zatur'ya, our ancestral village. It's a small town right in the north of Belarus, close to the border with Lithuania. It's another 80km north of Vseliub, the place that Berl had given as his last residence 2 years earlier. And it probably trumps Vseliub in insignificance.<br /><br /><span><b><span style="color: #38761d;">The process of </span></b><b><span style="color: #38761d;">emigration</span></b><br />We often wonder how our ancestors got from their shtetls across the length and breadth of the Pale of Settlement - from places like Pinsk, say, or Nesvizh - to emigration ports like Libau, Hamburg, Antwerp or London, before boarding the steamers that carried them across the Atlantic to America.</span></span><p></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">The big surge in emigration from the Russian Empire began in the early 1880s, and continued up to the start of the First World War in 1914. Our Zaturenskys are slap-bang in the middle of it, small players in a massive movement of people. Something like 3 million made roughly the same journey. Some ended up in Britain or elsewhere in Western Europe, most found their way to America. For the most part their journeys are undocumented, apart from the passenger manifests kept by the transatlantic steamship companies, which as we have seen, can sometimes provide a wealth of otherwise unbtainable information about people's lives.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span><span>However, we know very little about these journeys. </span></span><span>How did they travel? By train? By horse and cart? Where did they stay on the way? With friends or family? At wayside inns? How long did it take? Where did they eat? How did they carry their luggage? How did they keep in contact with the people they had left behind, and those they were going to? And how did they pay?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">The Slow Road</span></b><br />We can get a glimpse of how this all worked for a couple like Berl Zaturensky and his wife Friede Daletisky, from hints dropped in a disparate range of documents over not only the period of their journeys, but across several futher decades.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span>We see that starting out from Friede's home town of Baranovichi, </span><span>shortly after</span><span> the birth there of their son 'Charles' </span><span>in February 1904</span><span>, they moved north to Vseliub. We don't know why they went there, but Berl at least did not stay long. He travelled across Europe to Antwerp, where he caught the boat to New York in October, with his $20 in his pocket. His brother Joseph had made the same journey that summer, and Berl was aiming to join up with him in Chicago. Maybe eventually they would join their sister Rochel Leah in Peoria. Their younger sister Sarah must have followed their path soon after, although we have not yet found her travel details.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span>After Berl's departure from Vseliub, Friede moved on </span><span>with baby Charles to Radun. Again, we don't know why she went there, or how long she stayed, but she left in October 1906, and followed Berl's path to Antwerp, and on to Chicago via Quebec and Detroit.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span>For </span>Berl and Friede emigration was slow process, undertaken in stages. It took 2 and a half years for them both to get from Baranovichi to Chicago, with stays in Vseliub, Radun and Antwerp on the way, and who knows where else. <span>We have a few dates and places that enable us to fix </span>some of the key points in their journeys. But we do not really have answers to any of the questions we posed above.</span></p>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-68187844124518160892021-05-17T18:35:00.001+01:002021-05-17T18:35:35.037+01:00Moshe Chaim, Czar of Pinsk: #22 The Pinsk Connection<p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"> <a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjBTs3CgUKQdhpf1LwiQSqhlNq2LQ6poLjG8k95bMTqhaShdozYL4Fz-gWjDO6kkoO1cHMUvJYK2KFCbo39SxTAKc1BkJn4Anwb7zlJPptB8O8CW_q0MoJ0dyRrNxrYJcb7oZhpMvtdtaaZ/s1614/Zaturenskys+in+BLR+v3.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"><img border="0" data-original-height="948" data-original-width="1614" height="376" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjBTs3CgUKQdhpf1LwiQSqhlNq2LQ6poLjG8k95bMTqhaShdozYL4Fz-gWjDO6kkoO1cHMUvJYK2KFCbo39SxTAKc1BkJn4Anwb7zlJPptB8O8CW_q0MoJ0dyRrNxrYJcb7oZhpMvtdtaaZ/w640-h376/Zaturenskys+in+BLR+v3.png" width="640" /></a></span></p><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span style="text-align: left;"><a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2021/05/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-20-zaturya.html">Nesvizh might be the Zaturensky town</a>, and Zatur'ya (orange pin) might be the village they originate from - but most of my Zaturenskys seem to come from Pinsk. </span>However, we have been unable to recognise any members of this family in the available records for Nesvizh, or anywhere else in Belarus, including Pinsk. The information we have comes almost exclusively from what they tell us themselves, after emigration.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">This first map indicates the place of birth and/or the last residence before emigration of family members, as shown in their responses to questions in a variety of US documents, such as passenger manifests, birth, marriage and death records and certificates, and military draft documents.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium; text-align: left;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium; text-align: left;">The families of the two brothers, Movsha and Meer, are represented by blue and green pins respectively. As you can see, the blue pins - Movsha's family - congreagate in Pinsk, in the south of Belarus. Some of Meer's greens are in Pinsk, but they are also spread out in a number of other places, and we'll try to track the significance of these places later.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium; text-align: left;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium; text-align: left;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">From Zatur'ya to Nesvizh</span></b><br />I suggested in the last post that the family probably moved from the original village Zatur'ya to the nearby town Nesvizh, some time before the imposition of the surname decree in the Pale of Settlement around 1804. The thinking behind this suggestion is that they would not be likely to be called 'Zaturensky' whilst still living in Zatur'ya - it would make no sense, since everyone living there was "from Zatur'ya". If they moved after 1804, they would have already had a distinctive surname - or been given one - as a consequence of the decree. </span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium; text-align: left;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Zatur'ya is a small village. People in towns above a certain distance away would not have heard of it. So the designation Zaturensky - 'from Zatur'ya' - would be meaningless to them. The name would only make sense to folk who knew where Zatur'ya was. This is why, in the 19C records, you find very few Zaturenskys in places other than Nesvizh.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>And so to Pinsk</b></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg8geqia2JHVvDVWyg5oX-qDmmx65LwOWj9C2PtPDPp58ah4OUvlzyFc-Q8JaAZ5SR-cNphl_3Gha87oZfjwTskIjll4Lju0t1xWpj1PO7x8O4UExNN5IJuAupz4-GCRcPfgV9yJMT1TIp7/s1182/Zaturenskys+Pinsk+v5+names.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="908" data-original-width="1182" height="492" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg8geqia2JHVvDVWyg5oX-qDmmx65LwOWj9C2PtPDPp58ah4OUvlzyFc-Q8JaAZ5SR-cNphl_3Gha87oZfjwTskIjll4Lju0t1xWpj1PO7x8O4UExNN5IJuAupz4-GCRcPfgV9yJMT1TIp7/w640-h492/Zaturenskys+Pinsk+v5+names.png" width="640" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Pinsk was a much larger town, and a major centre of Jewish life and culture throughout the 19C, so it is not surprising to see people moving there from smaller towns such as Nesvizh during this period. Our Zaturenskys seem to have been there from at least 1840. The evidence we have for this is indirect, but it is all we have.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>Dora</b></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiZe4xlkwVdxZijykTflh_F3lshDxXDxeIUzA8YUwOcYNGKWffcf5FjZ3JYvGNd8MQgaMlkRuGipH61zSJ35DCn5bnpWPOOZOfrdb5_Coj0FDL8eCOseEJVNj_V2T8jOtnkE8g5Yf4r-6dR/s940/Dora+Kawin+d+1945+b+PIN+d+cert+clip.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="404" data-original-width="940" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiZe4xlkwVdxZijykTflh_F3lshDxXDxeIUzA8YUwOcYNGKWffcf5FjZ3JYvGNd8MQgaMlkRuGipH61zSJ35DCn5bnpWPOOZOfrdb5_Coj0FDL8eCOseEJVNj_V2T8jOtnkE8g5Yf4r-6dR/s320/Dora+Kawin+d+1945+b+PIN+d+cert+clip.png" width="320" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Movsha's daughter Dora died in 1945, and this is from her death certificate. It says that her father was 'Morris Toransky', and that his birthplace was Pinsk. We can estimate that Morris/Movsha would have been born by 1840 at the latest, as his first child (that we know of), my great-grandmother Shprintsa, was born c1858. As with all these records, we have to bear in mind who the informant was, and make a judgement as to how far we can rely on their information. </span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">In this case the informant was Dora's son Sam, who himself was born in Peoria in 1889, shortly after Dora emigrated. Movsha did not emigrate, so Sam would never have known him. This could just be a case of Sam responding to a question he doesn't know the answer to, and making a best guess - his mother had told him she was born in Pinsk, so let's just say her Dad was too. On the other hand, Sam could just have replied with "Don't know", as people often did on these forms. But he didn't; he said his mother's father had been born in Pinsk. </span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>Schmul</b></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjZWv8z32kEF9pGeMsLy_lEekgtoT29thEWKgXXRkDHrQVP_I0oV6Xu6rbyXydZggfLMwiwtG7nyVQ7gZR7zbtoHZa1Zwmw7GeD0pWe6DLVCTyhcUwfRqWYOjLGV31JMXCMJXQ4VjmVrzUn/s476/Simon+Morris+d+1926+f%2526m+b+PIN+d+record+clip+2.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="168" data-original-width="476" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjZWv8z32kEF9pGeMsLy_lEekgtoT29thEWKgXXRkDHrQVP_I0oV6Xu6rbyXydZggfLMwiwtG7nyVQ7gZR7zbtoHZa1Zwmw7GeD0pWe6DLVCTyhcUwfRqWYOjLGV31JMXCMJXQ4VjmVrzUn/s320/Simon+Morris+d+1926+f%2526m+b+PIN+d+record+clip+2.png" width="320" /></span></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span>This is from the death record of Dora's brother Simon (Schmul), who died in Peoria in 1926. His wife - and cousin - Elizabeth (Rochel Leah) had died 3 years earlier, so the informant would be one of their children, who were all born in the USA, and would not have known their grandfather Movsha. </span><span>By this stage of course Schmul had changed his own surname from <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-7-morris-men.html">Zaturensky to Moses to Morris</a>, and it is this surname that the informant retrospectively allocates to their grandfather. They also call him 'Herman', not Movsha/Morris, although Schmul's headstone clearly calls him 'Schmul son of Moshe Chaim' - so the family knew his Hebrew names. So 'Herman Morris' in this record is the same person as 'Morris Toransky' in Dora's record: Movsha Zaturensky, my great-great-grandfather.</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Anyway, the point of interest here is that the document purports to tell us the birth place not only of Schmul's father (Movsha), but also of his mother: both were born in Pinsk. And Schmul's mother is almost certainly <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2021/05/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-21-sura-cited.html">Sura, the great-great-grandmother that I have just discovered</a>. </span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Joseph</span></b><br />We know of 4 children for Movsha: Shprintsa, Schmul, Dora and Joseph. So far we have seen that not only </span></span>were <span style="font-family: inherit;"><span>Movsha and his first wife Sura (both b c1840)</span></span> probably born in Pinsk<span style="font-family: inherit;">, but also 3 of his children, </span><span style="font-family: inherit;">Shprintsa (c1858), Schmul (c1861) and Dora (c1870). <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/07/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-16-person-who.html">The fourth one, Joseph</a>, does not seem to have left us any evidence of his birthplace. He was born around 1872, immigrated in 1891, naturalised in 1895, appeared in 5 Censuses, and eventually died in 1965, well into his 90s. But in all this documentation, he never once tells us where he was born. Nor do any of his children. So while there's no evidence to suggest he was born in Pinsk, there's no reason to believe he was not.</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Benjamin Gitelman</span></b><br />There is another person we need to take into consideration. In 1923, <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/05/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-11-doras-four.html">Benjamin Gitelman arrived in Los Angeles</a> with his wife and 4 young children. Their last residence was Pinsk, and they are all shown to have been born there, Benjamin in 1885. They were coming to Benjamin's "half-brother" Sam Kawin, who at that point was living with his mother, our Dora. Benjamin and his family moved into a house built in the back-yard of Dora's home, and stayed there for the following 20 years at least. Some time in the 1920s he took on Dora's married surname, Kawin. To all intents and purposes Benjamin appears to be a son of Dora; on his death certificate his mother's maiden name is given as "Terensky".</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">I wrestled for a long time with this relationship, and finally came to the conclusion that Dora would not have been old enough in 1885 to be the mother of Benjamin and another son Hirsz. Plus, she would have had to leave them both behind in Pinsk when she went off to America to marry Joseph Kawin.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Benjamin's mother</span></b><br />So I would have to "invent" <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/07/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-15-beila.html">a mother for Benjamin</a>. For the dates and biographies to fit, this mother would have to be a sister to Dora, but slightly older; it would also be quite convenient if she were to be called Beila. In any event, all Benjamin's own evidence points to him having been born in Pinsk in 1885, so whoever his mother was, she was almost certainly a Zaturensky, and must have married a Gitelman, and she must also have been in Pinsk in 1885.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>Meer's family</b></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Meer's children are Rochel Leah, the wife of Movsha's son Schmul, and the later arrivals <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2021/04/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-18-cousins.html">Berl (another who was known as Benjamin in the USA), Joseph and Sarah</a>; all of them took on the name Terensky in America</span><span style="font-family: inherit;">. The closest we get to a place of birth with Rochel Leah (b 1872) is 'Russia' on her death record. Sarah (b 1893) offers us 'Poland' on a Social Security form. Neither mentions a town.</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Berl and Joseph are a bit more helpful. When Berl's sons Morris (1910) and Abraham (1914) are born in Chicago, their father's place of birth is given as Pinsk, give or take a vowel:</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgPL1LNPij64-N9Dm1tF-qXfKVAEkwhZ9m_o1WNMxvViKiIEIz7TvhO3J8EtoErjLSGaOBgT1KsYrapIY1-r6SitL7p5oAB5laNGx5HrW6hdg0FOkX7vvVbcUAfjG6R0IcHto2EbBHfDO_k/s994/1910+Morris+Tolensky+b+1910+f+Benj+b+PENSK.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="324" data-original-width="994" height="130" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgPL1LNPij64-N9Dm1tF-qXfKVAEkwhZ9m_o1WNMxvViKiIEIz7TvhO3J8EtoErjLSGaOBgT1KsYrapIY1-r6SitL7p5oAB5laNGx5HrW6hdg0FOkX7vvVbcUAfjG6R0IcHto2EbBHfDO_k/w400-h130/1910+Morris+Tolensky+b+1910+f+Benj+b+PENSK.png" width="400" /></span></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; 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text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Similarly, at the birth of his son Maier in in Chicago 1909, Joseph tells us that he himself was born in Pinsk:</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjFaMeqw3mxxj0KknzTIw0XbwEQ2L9QSssM0oaAzNSgDycVYmyx49xqpbE2NBHmXku_7MXhvGYBmletEgYXNsAiJZDkYabBoejAUE-mAioa5oseHWRJgBhzFZrOK2jts558I2oarUd-_Z6w/s528/Joe+Turanski+1909+at+b+Maier+b+PIN.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="186" data-original-width="528" height="114" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjFaMeqw3mxxj0KknzTIw0XbwEQ2L9QSssM0oaAzNSgDycVYmyx49xqpbE2NBHmXku_7MXhvGYBmletEgYXNsAiJZDkYabBoejAUE-mAioa5oseHWRJgBhzFZrOK2jts558I2oarUd-_Z6w/w320-h114/Joe+Turanski+1909+at+b+Maier+b+PIN.png" width="320" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-size: medium;">It's a fair bet that Meer's two daughters Rochel Leah and Sarah were also born there, though they were both reluctant to tell us so.</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-weight: bold; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><br /></b></span></span></div><b><span style="color: #38761d;">It's not all Pinsk</span></b></span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">So far, everyone who has indicated a place of birth, has told us: "Pinsk". </span><span style="font-family: inherit;">However, some of their documents indicate that other places also play a part in the family story, and we will look at a few of these in the next post.</span></span></div><p></p><p></p><p></p></div>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-13150607273290532172021-05-13T12:10:00.004+01:002021-05-13T15:59:22.680+01:00The Fourth Ring<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium; margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ujqCONnNxRYQOXTI1u_mmoR7FOt2VcGD/view?usp=sharing" target="_blank"><img border="0" data-original-height="1778" data-original-width="1778" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjA6kb5tkutfdRa17x6lKxwQ2eNGnyVBhzwAY6ML60ExpYE8FbBiGE9weqM45LFRG92V1vCon-Fmj8cA2BE-F955SNc30OBxy7KYsTV2HVcnCGCU85gtobo10HLW3vfn54fjXhxckRETivx/w400-h400/Wheel+of+16.png" width="400" /></a></span></div><p></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">The Certificate</span></b><br />The <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2021/05/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-21-sura-cited.html">discovery last week</a> of the death certificate of my great-grandmother, Shprintsa Schreibman née Zaturensky, marked a bit if a landmark for me. In the last column of the certificate, she - Szprynca Szrajbman in the Polish spelling - is identified as the "daughter of Movsha Chaim and Sura". So these are my Zaturensky great-great-grandparents. They were probably born around 1835-40.</span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjJBJKBdbWQ2lZTEi_7hyphenhyphen_8zAI2LGxU5qWVXtd9M5aNLnMc-jMG1F6i2MuSKCylTCeCpyGl4gc_KwvTMgx1YU3gOj1sXfyrB2AevamOMTUoFdCtE-EaXnWqlJDGJdBqqTyF8FgHS6pTULPA/s1114/Szprynca+Szrajbman+d+1932+PIN+d+record.png+clip.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1114" data-original-width="876" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjJBJKBdbWQ2lZTEi_7hyphenhyphen_8zAI2LGxU5qWVXtd9M5aNLnMc-jMG1F6i2MuSKCylTCeCpyGl4gc_KwvTMgx1YU3gOj1sXfyrB2AevamOMTUoFdCtE-EaXnWqlJDGJdBqqTyF8FgHS6pTULPA/s320/Szprynca+Szrajbman+d+1932+PIN+d+record.png+clip.png" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /><span>I knew </span><span>Movsha Chaim's name - actually I think he's really "Movsha son of Chaim" - from <a href="http://belaroots.blogspot.com/2011/05/shraibmans-of-pinsk.html" target="_blank">my visit to Pinsk 10 years ago</a> (10 years next week, in fact). The Jewish Community there gave me a few sheets of paper containing handful of references - all they had - to my Schreibman family, including a <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-1-who-is.html">typed-out list of Szrajbman burials</a>. This list included Szprynca, who died in 1932, and was buried in the Jewish Cemetery in the centre of town - sadly, it was dug up many decades ago by the Soviet authorities, and the land was re-purposed for a primary school.</span></span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span>As is usual in both Russian and Jewish traditions, t</span><span>he entry for Szprynca on this list showed her patronymic name: she was the daughter of Movsha Chaim. Another listing, this time of the <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-4-two-for.html">birth record for her son Meer</a> in 1897, had given us both her given name: Shprintsa, and her family name: Zaturensky. This was a great stride forward at the time, as we had not been aware of any of these names.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">So, putting the two documents together, we knew that her father was Movsha Chaim Zaturensky. But there was no clue anywhere as to the name of her mother. Until last week - 10 years later - when I was trawling through the <a href="https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/708812?availability=Family%20History%20Library" target="_blank">very few Pinsk records</a> that are available online in the FamilySearch collection.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">And there she is: Sura.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">The Wheel</span></b><br />I began to enter the name into the family trees I keep in various places. I started with the master Tree I keep on my computer, using the <a href="https://www.syniumsoftware.com/macfamilytree" target="_blank">MacFamilyTree</a> software, and thought to myself, how does this look in the fan-chart? Sura will appear in the circle of my great-great-grandparents, four rings out from me - my Wheel of 16. How far have I got with that?</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">There she is, at the top, just to the left of centre, in a sort of lime-green colour. Hers is the last name to be added to the 4th ring of the circle, meaning that I now know the names of all my great-great-grandparents. Sura completes my <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ujqCONnNxRYQOXTI1u_mmoR7FOt2VcGD/view?usp=sharing" target="_blank">Wheel of 16</a>. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">I know there are people who have traced their ancestors - all their ancestors - back a generation or two further than this. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">But for me, this is a major landmark.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">The Landmark</span></b><br />When I started researching, 12 years or so ago, I knew the names of 7 of my 8 great-grandparents - that is to say, my parents had known the names of their own grandparents, even though they had never seen most of them. The only ones I had 'met' in person were Barnet and Kate Waxman, as they were called in England, but they had both died by the time I was two years old. The only other one of the eight to emigrate was Mikhlya Levin, who had died in London well before I was born. The others all stayed, and died, in Poland or Belarus. In fact, checking over their dates now, the Waxmans were the only ones who were still alive when I was born.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Of the women - my 4 great-grandmothers - Mikhlya Levin was the only one we had a surname for. For two of them - including Kate - we had their given names but not their maiden names, so we had no idea what their family was, or where they had come from. The fourth one, the one we knew nothing about at all, was Shrpintsa.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span>And the next generation back - my 16 great-great-grandparents - were a total mystery, not only to me but to my parents and all their brothers and sisters. We couldn't even guess at their names, and even if we thought we knew where they came from, </span>our assumptions have turned out to be mostly wrong.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span>We now have full names for 13 of the 16, with places of origin for most of them; </span>family names are missing for just 3 of the women (including Sura). This in turn has enabled us to trace some of them back a further generation, to the Fifth Ring, and find out where they lived and something about their lives. And of course every step back creates a starting point for tracing sideways and forwards, towards cousins around now that you never even knew existed.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">So to find Sura, and complete my Wheel of 16, really is a landmark.</span></p>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-28369175764507816352021-05-10T23:20:00.000+01:002021-05-10T23:20:28.322+01:00Moshe Chaim, Czar of Pinsk: #21 Sura cited<p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span>Up until last week, I had no documentary evidence for either of what I take to be the two wives of my great-great-grandfather Movsha Zaturensky. </span><span>My working assumption was that the first wife was called *Beila, and that she was the mother of Shprintsa and Schmul. This is the name that was suggested in <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-8-brothers.html">the Tree of one of my DNA Cousins</a>; it seemed to fit the naming patterns, and it was all I had to go on.</span></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><b><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Shprintsa's mother</span></b></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">However, a few days ago I found this:</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhya2D73WCgn5_4VtNJRcbiJ9Q2OKS4VlRpBfP1yN7DpAJFWHQGw9ynzWYC6OYBKyPDNYr5lpv8FVgUCs5sT54N65uWFKHcoJJ4wVIFRE_MP6Q0O0bsspgbBWAIMdReThJXQFem_8w3AWV-/s3183/Szprynca+Szrajbman+d+1932+PIN+d+record.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="988" data-original-width="3183" height="198" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhya2D73WCgn5_4VtNJRcbiJ9Q2OKS4VlRpBfP1yN7DpAJFWHQGw9ynzWYC6OYBKyPDNYr5lpv8FVgUCs5sT54N65uWFKHcoJJ4wVIFRE_MP6Q0O0bsspgbBWAIMdReThJXQFem_8w3AWV-/w640-h198/Szprynca+Szrajbman+d+1932+PIN+d+record.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /><span>It's the death certificate of my great-grandmother Shprintsa (Szprynca in Polish), who died in Pinsk in 1932. In the final column she is identified as:</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span>"Szprynca </span><span>Szrajbman</span><span>, daughter of Movsza-Chaim and Sura, registered in Pinsk"</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">I came across this document whilst trawling through the <a href="https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/708812?availability=Family%20History%20Library" target="_blank">Pinsk records available on the FamilySearch website</a>. I already had the date of her burial, and her father's name, from a typed-up <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-1-who-is.html">list of Szrajbman burials</a> given to me when I visited Pinsk in 2011. However, this is the death record, and it carries one extra piece of vital information: the name of Shprintsa's mother, and Movsha's first wife: Sura.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">My great-great-grandmother.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>Movsha's two wives</b></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Sura is probably also the mother of Schmul, Movsha's second child. There then follows a gap of 5 years or so before the next child, who I believe to be a *Beila, and who I am positing as the <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/07/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-15-beila.html">mother of Benjamin Gitelman</a>. The evidence at the moment suggests that Sura died at some point between 1861 and 1865, and Movsha re-married. Some of the family trees suggest that <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/07/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-15-beila.html">this second wife was called *Chana</a>, and she would be the mother of Movsha's other children: *Beila, Dora and Joseph.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgi7JOB0bnpl3JHhJHhuocEWc44pFWJNiHBy1R4nPlrSB6yZR5a6u2lfQCwTRq7bJFejAhji3JhxRyGi6-r3VsQhhVtkhfeDrtqIHGYvL3zQ97YpwJSgblVL6VlBxwuvYB9aa5HgL6Osq5-/s1862/Movshas+2+wives+v3.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="560" data-original-width="1862" height="192" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgi7JOB0bnpl3JHhJHhuocEWc44pFWJNiHBy1R4nPlrSB6yZR5a6u2lfQCwTRq7bJFejAhji3JhxRyGi6-r3VsQhhVtkhfeDrtqIHGYvL3zQ97YpwJSgblVL6VlBxwuvYB9aa5HgL6Osq5-/w640-h192/Movshas+2+wives+v3.png" width="640" /></span></a></div></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="color: #38761d;"><b>The Sura Lines</b></span></div>Shprintsa's husband was Nevakh Schreibman. She was his second wife, and she had 4 children with him that we know of. The first was a son, Movsha - my grandfather, born in 1883. The second was a daughter: Sora, born in 1885. We have looked several times at the <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-7-morris-men.html">Ashkenazi custom of naming a child</a> after a recently deceased close relative. For a son, it's often the father who gets to choose the name - Nevakh's father was Movsha Dovid, so we presume that he had died some time before the </span>birth of my grandfather <span>Movsha in 1883, so the name was available for the new baby. </span>For a daughter, it would be the mother's choice, so Shprintsa names the first baby girl after her own mother, who we think had died some 20 years earlier: Sora.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh4BXpWiddQ0ookZnIIMUp4y9GJtP4MFzcNUJAYntC6PjtnpY2F-OjuKqZWQHcDr4pg1UzDmB8_0XtH6eAjf_YqnJx8s8eeQrTkzVlih6wVAn0yeC6YpT5LWQnJP3rUc3c9ICzCV-5waZHK/s1688/The+Sura+line+v2.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="728" data-original-width="1688" height="276" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh4BXpWiddQ0ookZnIIMUp4y9GJtP4MFzcNUJAYntC6PjtnpY2F-OjuKqZWQHcDr4pg1UzDmB8_0XtH6eAjf_YqnJx8s8eeQrTkzVlih6wVAn0yeC6YpT5LWQnJP3rUc3c9ICzCV-5waZHK/w640-h276/The+Sura+line+v2.png" width="640" /></span></a></div></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Now let's check how Shprintsa's brother, Schmul, and his wife Rochel Leah, name their children. They are all born in the USA, so all are known by English-language names. In accordance with the tradition, the first daughter's name is chosen by the mother: she is named 'Bessie', after the anglicised name used by the family to refer to Rochel Leah's mother. The second daughter, born in 1898, is called Sarah - and with our latest discovery, we can now surmise that this child too could be after Schmul's mother: Sora.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><b><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">The end of the *Beila Hypothesis?</span></b></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span>So *Beila is now Sura. This of course </span>has major implications for my <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/07/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-15-beila.html">*Beila Hypothesis</a>, which I will now have to go back over, and re-fashion. A genealogist's work is never done.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-2776419041882709462021-05-06T16:23:00.001+01:002021-05-06T16:23:50.579+01:00Moshe Chaim, Czar of Pinsk: #20 Zatur'ya<p></p><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 238);"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>The Zaturensky town</b></span></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEggglAMABvytd9mReKlqC7P8YJFYu5qFO0nYhHIiMgL0KyihpqA9lAAVbfQCSLzk2JtauEE6kYz9R91dmLfORiTKBTt9ajw4KR4rl7-fBBEsytk6hhOFzsdU2UYyIS86J4P-15lr_EvEwPT/s1734/Zaturensky+records+v2.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1008" data-original-width="1734" height="372" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEggglAMABvytd9mReKlqC7P8YJFYu5qFO0nYhHIiMgL0KyihpqA9lAAVbfQCSLzk2JtauEE6kYz9R91dmLfORiTKBTt9ajw4KR4rl7-fBBEsytk6hhOFzsdU2UYyIS86J4P-15lr_EvEwPT/w640-h372/Zaturensky+records+v2.png" width="640" /></a></div></div><p></p><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Zaturensky in the Belarus records</span></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">If you go to the <a href="https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Belarus/" target="_blank">Belarus database on JewishGen</a> and do a search of Revision Lists for the name "Zaturensky", the results are quite striking.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Zaturenskys in Belarus: 102</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">. . . of which in Nesvizh:<span> </span>98</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">. . . . . . . . and elsewhere: 4</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">The name is almost unique to the small town of Nesvizh, more or less in the centre of the country.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span><span>These</span> Revision Lists were compiled periodically across the Russian Empire, in an attempt to keep track of the population for the purposes of taxation and conscription. </span>The Lists we have for Nesvizh cover most of the 19C, up until the 1870s. Here, as i<span>n many places, they are more or less the only records we have, as </span>vital records - birth, marriage & death - are scarce across the whole of Belarus. There are just a handful of late 19C Zaturensky birth records from Pinsk, and I have not been able to identify any members of our family from them. Most of these Pinsk records indicate that the father is registered in Nesvizh, signifying that he was originally from there. This reinforces the impression we get from the Revision Lists - that Nesvizh is the Zaturensky town.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">There is a good reason for that.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>The Zaturensky village</b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiOfsauF2Re9qtFyk8qkUl9y59ZKbo-g4vC-CJmN6h3vOmjOehlMQroQJr4xiJOAIgcURHRFkTUcNM5MNSezJ9wwjEvMbHZmdZp9MFYTGdkM9owWj8yA2vxGDTxK6A58hNkzIxhyEyOnGfX/s1140/Zaturya.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="color: black; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="578" data-original-width="1140" height="325" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiOfsauF2Re9qtFyk8qkUl9y59ZKbo-g4vC-CJmN6h3vOmjOehlMQroQJr4xiJOAIgcURHRFkTUcNM5MNSezJ9wwjEvMbHZmdZp9MFYTGdkM9owWj8yA2vxGDTxK6A58hNkzIxhyEyOnGfX/w640-h325/Zaturya.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span><br /></span><span>Just 15km from Nesvizh (present population 14,000) is a little village called Zatur'ya (pop 450). The name "Zaturensky" signifies "a person from Zatur'ya". Remember that until the end of the 18C, most Jews in the Russian Empire did not have fixed surnames. They </span><span>generally used patronymic names, identifying themselves as the son or daughter of so-and-so, such as Movsha Khaimovich - Movsha son of Khaim.</span></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span>However, if someone moved from their native place to a different town or region, their new neighbours would sometimes refer to them by their place of origin. So for example, i</span><span>n a town like Nesvizh, </span><span>Movsha Khaimovich from down the road in Zatur'ya could be </span><span>distinguished from Movsha Khaimovich the shoemaker who has always lived round the corner, by calling him </span><span>Movsha Khaimovich </span><span>Zaturensky. My great-great-grandfather.</span></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg520OS5Ugg1RTb45pUyYhw4c0X1VqDNPVUCl5aDCg6wTMbSdoZucmOdVIN-hdzVKYhyxXxmdjxBeSzGLcV-TUeo68Kw322fssMs-uE-OPwR6AdeKJX1qcLkZhgIGuNakaRs7Tg5tUvhiVi/s1084/Zatur%2527ya+photo.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="594" data-original-width="1084" height="350" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg520OS5Ugg1RTb45pUyYhw4c0X1VqDNPVUCl5aDCg6wTMbSdoZucmOdVIN-hdzVKYhyxXxmdjxBeSzGLcV-TUeo68Kw322fssMs-uE-OPwR6AdeKJX1qcLkZhgIGuNakaRs7Tg5tUvhiVi/w640-h350/Zatur%2527ya+photo.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><div style="text-align: left;"><span><br /></span></div>The village is named for a nearby river called Tur'ya - "Za Tur'ya" means "on the Tur'ya". In 1587 it is mentioned in a tax record as an estate belonging to the Radziwills, a powerful Polish noble family. Jews first came into the area from Poland during this period, often brought in by the Polish nobles to act as estate managers and tax collectors. This did not necessarily endear them to the local peasantry.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>Our village?</b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span>There is a <a href="https://sites.google.com/view/sanko/наша-вёска" target="_blank">fascinating website called 'Our Village'</a> maintained by a local teacher from a nearby village (Yushevichi/Rakovichi on the map), dealing with local history. It highlights the way the lives of Jews and Belarussians were intertwined in these villages throughout the centuries. They each kept their respective religious and social customs, and never intermarried, but they lived side-by-side, and they were economically interdependent. Their languages, Yiddish and Belarussian, borrowed words and turns of phrase from each other, and even jokes and insults. The website is </span><span>in Belarussian, but Google Translate does a wonderful job!</span></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiuQf8RrvmIFeeBGXF8c7FG992jI41a6uW3K3F9nLBN2eZ8ECPCgu4HUK2ZlojaYeat02QSlgvZ_oyiZ1jh6J2NF8fWrrNJX5vACMy6uSGZLfsOgfOvmSjvmj6huQn3YGQqbKU-JzWu0y_-/s1950/Zatur%2527ya+satellite+view.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1418" data-original-width="1950" height="466" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiuQf8RrvmIFeeBGXF8c7FG992jI41a6uW3K3F9nLBN2eZ8ECPCgu4HUK2ZlojaYeat02QSlgvZ_oyiZ1jh6J2NF8fWrrNJX5vACMy6uSGZLfsOgfOvmSjvmj6huQn3YGQqbKU-JzWu0y_-/w640-h466/Zatur%2527ya+satellite+view.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /><span>From the satellite view, you can see that the village of Zatur'ya consists of a single main street - "Central Street" - with one other street parallel to it for part of its length. I would hazard a guess that the original settlement, in the days of the Radziwill estate, is located just above the crossroads to the left of the photo, with the River Tur'ya just to the left of that. The Jews who worked for the Radziwill estate in the 18C may well have lived just there.</span></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">My guess is that some time before the surname decree, ie by the turn of the 19C at the latest, my ancestral family moved from this village to Nesvizh, where they became known as "Zaturensky" - "from Zatur'ya" - and the name stuck.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>Leib and his horse</b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span color="rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)" style="box-sizing: border-box; caret-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87); font-family: inherit; font-size: medium; text-align: justify; vertical-align: inherit;">Here's <a href="https://sites.google.com/view/sanko/казкі-вёскі-юшавічы">the story of Leib and his horse</a>, from the 'Our Village' website mentioned above.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span color="rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)" style="box-sizing: border-box; caret-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87); font-family: inherit; font-size: medium; text-align: justify; vertical-align: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span color="rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)" style="box-sizing: border-box; caret-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87); font-family: inherit; font-size: medium; text-align: justify; vertical-align: inherit;"><div style="text-align: left;"><b>Sketches of the past: <span style="font-family: inherit;">Leib's horse</span></b></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">To this day, when a good horse doesn't want to work, the villagers shout at him that he's like "Leib's horse", and they do not spare the whip. </span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;">In fact, the Jew Leib once had a heavy Belgian horse, to the envy of all the neighbours, very strong, but quite stubborn and slow. Often older people, looking at the coat of their own horse, recalled: "Wow, that was some horse that Leib had!".</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;">Leib loved and respected his horse. Even when it got old.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;">"Leib, how old is your horse?"</div><div style="text-align: left;">"Twelve."</div><div style="text-align: left;">The following year, Leib was asked again:</div><div style="text-align: left;">"Leib, how old is your horse?"</div><div style="text-align: left;">"Twelve."</div><div style="text-align: left;">And so again for years to come. </div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;">Since then, when an elderly person is confused, they say: "You're as old as Leib's horse!"</div></span></div><p></p>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-71974322650513464892021-04-29T16:11:00.003+01:002021-04-29T16:27:51.125+01:00Moshe Chaim, Czar of Pinsk: #19 Well it winds from Chicago to L.A.<p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"> <b><span style="color: #38761d;">More than two thousand miles all the way ...</span></b></span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh_UIG_2bOaBBMTL4E8M3wu12jNcCOGMt4fgE27CF1uTAXdKZk9YGyDBjS90afVk55yDJMSgtuWE8oHx1Ua6OUwei7kehMOlKpQs2jYTa3Yl8fPugb8vn6sxkWDtIm3-xN05aBaF7c7elNv/s1024/historic-us-route66-map.jpg" style="font-family: inherit; margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="512" data-original-width="1024" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh_UIG_2bOaBBMTL4E8M3wu12jNcCOGMt4fgE27CF1uTAXdKZk9YGyDBjS90afVk55yDJMSgtuWE8oHx1Ua6OUwei7kehMOlKpQs2jYTa3Yl8fPugb8vn6sxkWDtIm3-xN05aBaF7c7elNv/w640-h320/historic-us-route66-map.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><a href="https://www.route66roadtrip.com/route-66-maps.htm" target="_blank">Route66RoadTrip.com</a></span></div><div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: center;">If you ever plan to motor west</div><div style="text-align: center;">Just take my way, it's the highway that's the best</div><div style="text-align: center;">Get your kicks on Route 66</div><div style="text-align: center;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: center;">Well it goes from St Louis, down through Missouri</div><div style="text-align: center;">Oklahoma City looks oh-so pretty</div><div style="text-align: center;">See Amarillo and Gallup, New Mexico,</div><div style="text-align: center;">Flagstaff, Arizona, don't forget Winona,</div><div style="text-align: center;">Kingman, Barstow, San Bernadino ...</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;">Little did I think, 60 years ago, as I sang along to the <a href="https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/rollingstones/route66.html" target="_blank">opening track of the Rolling Stones' first LP</a>, trying to remember the names of all these mythical places in the right order so they fitted the music, that this was the route my Zaturensky ancestors had followed for real, 40 years earlier. Indeed, 60 years ago I had no idea I had ancestors called Zaturensky, or that it was even a name. </div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;">But it is, and they did.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">The one who didn't</span></b></div><div style="text-align: left;">The earliest emigrant, Schmuil (Simon Morris), and his wife/cousin Rochel Leah (Elizabeth), were the only ones not to make the California Trip. They lived out the whole of their American lives in Peoria, until their deaths in 1923 (Rochel Leah) and 1926 (Schmuil). In the 1920 Census, all 6 of their children were still at home with them in Peoria. By 1930, all the children were in Chicago. </div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgS5qUWGiPAE5ZpiHH7n_3Zry5qJxseBDOBJG-YYlRIgCCAm-uLhuGwbpDK5zfo14Lg0UuAIkrnoDfMUAz8F-ky6TLDobnTKLWukPO64DN601_nVx-cPmLLalYy4g43EVPleWyFMxR7oH2N/s628/Chicago+to+Peoria.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="514" data-original-width="628" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgS5qUWGiPAE5ZpiHH7n_3Zry5qJxseBDOBJG-YYlRIgCCAm-uLhuGwbpDK5zfo14Lg0UuAIkrnoDfMUAz8F-ky6TLDobnTKLWukPO64DN601_nVx-cPmLLalYy4g43EVPleWyFMxR7oH2N/s320/Chicago+to+Peoria.png" width="320" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">Peoria to Chicago: 150 miles</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;">And there most of them stayed, or nearby. The only exception seems to have been Abe, the youngest, who eventually made his way to Los Angeles to <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/07/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-16-person-who.html">join up with his cousin Sam Trent</a>.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Blazing the trail</span></b></div><div style="text-align: left;">Schmuil's sister Dora was the trailblazer. Her <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/12/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-17-shipped-to.html">husband Joseph Kawin had died in 1897</a>, leaving her with 2 sons aged around 10 years old, Abraham and Samuel. <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/05/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-12-dora-and.html">She married Ephraim Goldberg</a>, the roving rabbi, in 1900, and their daughter Sarah was born the following year in Oskaloosa, Iowa. No, I hadn't heard of it either. The relationship with Ephraim appears to have broken down by 1910, as in that Census Dora and her 3 children are in Chicago, whilst Ephraim is in Whiting, Indiana, with a 17 year-old daughter, presumably by a previous marriage.</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;">By 1913, Abe and Sam Kawin are in Los Angeles:</div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiwrpF9AH4GB_61izHJ8_1hpydnwP8VnLcuzGJTwH0NwkjVFSf0hyphenhyphenhqwtM8p8WdGKgJM-4yO7E_9DPDJVvTn1AKoG2ZmqwQ8JEGIKWLS4VrDbspV4mtn-MgyTaP6SQUolWM4kt7zcAa0-6f/s1238/1913+Abe+%2526+Samuel+Kawin+LA+Dir+1913+clip.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="152" data-original-width="1238" height="78" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiwrpF9AH4GB_61izHJ8_1hpydnwP8VnLcuzGJTwH0NwkjVFSf0hyphenhyphenhqwtM8p8WdGKgJM-4yO7E_9DPDJVvTn1AKoG2ZmqwQ8JEGIKWLS4VrDbspV4mtn-MgyTaP6SQUolWM4kt7zcAa0-6f/w640-h78/1913+Abe+%2526+Samuel+Kawin+LA+Dir+1913+clip.png" width="640" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">They look well-established - Abe is a salesman in a department store, and Sam is an auditor. A year later, Dora has joined them. She's now goes by Kawin rather than Goldberg, and is listed as "widow of Joseph". Daughter Sarah is probably there too. </span><span style="font-family: inherit;">They're in the Directory for San Pedro.</span></div></span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNpI3F5nPSFgKQg6j2XTUFNNN2e9GoK1gjwvvj48poi_M5t37nEYc13uf7o4yFzu8vZZ-p3bMhFZ25n0PGtCxVldRK5GrV1TrWv9aGOdd8m-_IyhnQIhNjS9HARKxfzKdM0Q4ziI_xJSqH/s1322/1914+Dora+Kawin+wid+Joseph+San+Pedro+CA+Dir+1914+clip.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="162" data-original-width="1322" height="78" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNpI3F5nPSFgKQg6j2XTUFNNN2e9GoK1gjwvvj48poi_M5t37nEYc13uf7o4yFzu8vZZ-p3bMhFZ25n0PGtCxVldRK5GrV1TrWv9aGOdd8m-_IyhnQIhNjS9HARKxfzKdM0Q4ziI_xJSqH/w640-h78/1914+Dora+Kawin+wid+Joseph+San+Pedro+CA+Dir+1914+clip.png" width="640" /></a></span></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Then came the War. Abraham was called up to serve in the Army in 1917, and in July 1918 he was sent over to fight in France. He was killed in action on 19 October, just 3 weeks before the end of the War, and his body, along with thousands of others, was sent back 3 years later on a funeral ship.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit;"><b>A stream of Zaturenskys</b></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">The Kawins must have told their cousins that life was OK in California, because after the War they started coming over in a steady stream.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Dora's brother Joseph 'Teranski' spent the years after 1898 on a never-ending tour of the small towns of Illinois. We find him in Galesburg, Jacksonville, Monmouth, and occasionally back in Peoria, usually as a shoemaker, sometimes pawnbroking or dealing in second-hand clothing. His wife Sarah ran a grocery store. From 1911 they are settled in Springfield, Illinois.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjXsvX-bn4qx6V_JG8mOgt2hOs_h08OFCOBta9UWhyphenhyphen5Ufywy5VSvQu2sS0EPU4erXCz22X5TLyS1MUAlpkhGhS0TxFT9wmDXzAyeJaMvrSKDUZ-YWBduPAti5cBieib1WN2yjyVeGfTQrgF/s850/Josephs+wanderings.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="850" data-original-width="844" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjXsvX-bn4qx6V_JG8mOgt2hOs_h08OFCOBta9UWhyphenhyphen5Ufywy5VSvQu2sS0EPU4erXCz22X5TLyS1MUAlpkhGhS0TxFT9wmDXzAyeJaMvrSKDUZ-YWBduPAti5cBieib1WN2yjyVeGfTQrgF/w398-h400/Josephs+wanderings.png" width="398" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">The wanderings of Joseph, 1898-1927</div><span style="font-family: inherit;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div>Then, in 1922, their sons Sam and Meyer, both in their early 20s, appear in Los Angeles, and Sam gets married in San Francisco. Their father Joseph gets listed in both Springfield and LA for a couple of years - remember that's "more than two thousand miles all the way" - before settling definitively in LA around 1927, along with Sarah. By this time Joseph and Meyer (now 'Myron') had renamed themselves 'Trent'. Sam later followed suit, and appeared as 'Cousin Sam Trent' on Abe Morris's Draft Card in 1940.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">And it wasn't only the sons. Joseph's daughter </span><span style="font-family: inherit;">Sadie </span><span style="font-family: inherit;">followed them down in 1934, </span><span style="font-family: inherit;">with her husband Henry Morgan; so too daughter </span><span style="font-family: inherit;">Annie, with husband David Fishman, a couple of years later. Following the precedent set by Dora's family, none of Joseph's family remained in Illinois.</span></div></span><span style="font-family: inherit;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit;"><b>A different route</b></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">There is one family member who did not follow the trail along Route 66. Benjamin Gitelman managed to cut out the middle-man, and avoid Peoria - and Illinois - altogether. <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/05/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-11-doras-four.html">He came in 1922</a> with his wife and 4 young children, from a brother in Pinsk to a half-brother in Los Angeles. The 'half-brother' is Sam Kawin, Dora's son, and I have struggled mightily with this relationship. So much so that <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/07/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-15-beila.html">I have had to invent a sister</a> for Dora to explain it. I've called this sister '*Beila', and decided she must be Benjamin's mother, because it fits the story and I can't make anything else fit. Whatever the detail, the relationship was close enough to Dora to have her build a home for Benjamin and his family in her own back-yard in LA. And for Benjamin to assume the surname of Dora's first husband Joseph Kawin, who by the time Benjamin arrived in LA had been dead 25 years.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit;"><b>The other Benjamin</b></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">It will not have escaped your notice that we now have two Benjamins to contend with. As well as two Josephs. Oy vey.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">The other Benjamin is the one we have just met, the son of Movsha's brother Meir. <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2021/04/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-18-cousins.html">He arrived as Berl Zateranski in 1904</a>, and went first to Chicago, where he stayed until 1918. But the lure of Peoria proved irresistible, and he spent to next 10 years there, despite the fact that his siblings and cousins were busy heading off down "the highway that's the best" to LA.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">But eventually he too succumbed, and we find him in Los Angeles</span><span style="font-family: inherit;"> f</span><span style="font-family: inherit;">rom 1928 onwards. He appears to have been divorced from his wife Fanny by then; she had re-married in 1927, and stayed in Peoria. Their seven children spread out - 2 to Houston (Texas), 2 to Tucson (Arizona), the others around Illinois. With the exception of Abraham, who spent a few years with Benjamin in Los Angeles, none of them followed him there.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgP5CONgLhJWJtK_r-S8pJSvfcL5Aqq_YUyh45RrAZ40B-BSCgntQ0gkFk18V9aPZYoOXJA75iGQ-_9Kc8nOFafQFkc9UrvVEnAzg7JeM-C59S2-iarSwe1Ue6IjMHKUrR6MLF4Yuntz4fn/s1432/Benjamin+and+his+children.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="430" data-original-width="1432" height="192" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgP5CONgLhJWJtK_r-S8pJSvfcL5Aqq_YUyh45RrAZ40B-BSCgntQ0gkFk18V9aPZYoOXJA75iGQ-_9Kc8nOFafQFkc9UrvVEnAzg7JeM-C59S2-iarSwe1Ue6IjMHKUrR6MLF4Yuntz4fn/w640-h192/Benjamin+and+his+children.png" width="640" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">Benjamin in LA and his children: Abraham & Mary in Tucson AZ, Charles & Nathan in Houston TX; Lillian & Sarah stayed in Peoria</div></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><b><br /></b></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Benjamin re-married, twice, and eventually followed his children Abraham and Mary to Tucson, where he died in 1955. Most of his children adopted 'Terence', but Benjamin retained 'Terensky' to the end.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><b><br /></b></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit;"><b>The other Joseph</b></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">As we have seen, <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2021/04/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-18-cousins.html">the second Joseph</a>, another son of Meir, immigrated in 1904, and like his brother Benjamin, headed for Chicago, and stayed there. Like Benjamin, he used 'Terensky'. He was naturalised there in 1914. But the lure of Peoria proved irresistible for him too, and he moved there in 1918, round about the same time as Benjamin.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">However, Joseph didn't last long there. By 1920 he had "got hip" to the "kindly tip" of his cousin Dora and her sons, and followed them down to Los Angeles. He died there in 1926. From the mid-1930s on, his wife Esther and their children were known as 'Terrence'.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit;"><b>Sister Sarah</b></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Sarah followed her two brothers to Chicago, arriving a few years later, probably around 1908. She married Adolf Hartenstein there in 1909, and their first two children were born there. However, the lure of Peoria worked its magic on them too, and they joined her brothers and cousins there in 1912. And by 1922, you've guessed it, they had "motored west" and joined the burgeoning Zaturensky colony in Los Angeles.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><div style="text-align: center;">If you ever plan to motor west</div><div style="text-align: center;">Just take my way, it's the highway that's the best</div><div style="text-align: center;">Get your kicks on Route 66</div><div><br /></div></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Next question: so they came from Pinsk, did they?</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div></span></span></div><p></p>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-35093127992969925942021-04-28T15:36:00.000+01:002021-04-28T15:36:08.449+01:00Moshe Chaim, Czar of Pinsk: #18 The Cousins Arrive<p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #38761d;"><b>The Zaturensky family</b><br /></span>The current state of my knowledge is that my Zaturensky family derives from two brothers who lived in Pinsk in Tsarist Russia in the late 19C, sons of Chaim. They were Movsha and Meir, and several of their children emigrated to the United States. My own great-grandmother Shprintsa is the only one of their children known to me who did not leave Russia. There may be more brothers or sisters, there may be more children who stayed, and more who emigrated.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span>Most of the story so far has concerned the children of Movsha, my great-great-grandfather: Schmuil (<a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-7-morris-men.html">who became Simon Morris</a>), Dora, and latterly Joseph. </span><span>We were introduced to Meir when we realised early on that <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-6-it-takes.html">Schmuil had married his cousin Rochel Leah</a>, daughter of Meir. However, Rochel Leah is not alone. She has three siblings who we can trace back to the same father, Meir: Benjamin, Joseph, and Sarah.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">All of the emigrants followed the same over-arching route, from Pinsk to Peoria in Illinois; some dallied for a while in Chicago, and they all - or their children - eventually found their way over to Los Angeles. I'll trace their journey across the USA in a later post, and I'll also be having a closer look at where they came from in Russia - you'll see some hints of this below, in some of their passenger manifests.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Let's look first at their emigration stories, more or less in chronological order. The first to appear is Movsha's son Schmuil.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium; margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhlFcNfWgYJsLwMLcR4xqgPApz3WHmGKzeT9MyfJ4gZmazUPrhJ6MX0UkghAbhxSDXNY0rwV4SMkNscd5yu0DTD3xfhCLwkGvKOI_h579fEyt5KpT4wbGjuwURAGIUbuSXs7jthxeBPYS8w/s2064/1881+Schmul+Zotoranski+%2526+wf+Pesia+HAM-NYC+clip.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"><img border="0" data-original-height="222" data-original-width="2064" height="69" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhlFcNfWgYJsLwMLcR4xqgPApz3WHmGKzeT9MyfJ4gZmazUPrhJ6MX0UkghAbhxSDXNY0rwV4SMkNscd5yu0DTD3xfhCLwkGvKOI_h579fEyt5KpT4wbGjuwURAGIUbuSXs7jthxeBPYS8w/w640-h69/1881+Schmul+Zotoranski+%2526+wf+Pesia+HAM-NYC+clip.png" width="640" /></a></span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Movsha: Schmuil</span></b><br />In 1881 Schmuil Zotoranski, aged 20, and his wife Pesia (18), arrived in New York aboard the ss Suevia from Hamburg. This Schmuil </span><i>may</i><span> have been the Schmuil who was a brother of my great-grandmother Shprintsa Zaturensky, the man who appears at the beginning of our story as 'Simon Moses'. I can't be sure, as I have not found any further documents showing this couple. On the other hand, I have not found an immigration record for any other Schmuil who could fit the bill.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">We know that 'Simon Moses' applied for US naturalisation in 1886 in Peoria, Illinois, where much of our Zaturensky story unfolds, but the actual application document is not available online, so we don't know what further information it may hold, such as place of birth, or date and means of arrival in the USA. So, as of now, this Schmuil Zotoranski is our best bet.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">I have found no further mention of his wife Pesia, under any likely surname, but I presume she died sometime during the following few years, as by 1893 Schmuil/Simon is married to 'Elizabeth', and they are having their first child, Bessie. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Meir: Rochel Leia</span></b><br /></span><span>Elizabeth turns out to be Rochel Leah Teransky, born c1872, and like Simon she is from Pinsk in Russia (now Belarus). She appears to have arrived around 1891, though I haven't yet found a manifest for her. If you think 'Teransky' sounds suspiciously like 'Zaturensky', you're spot on. Rochel Leah's father is Meir Zaturensky, and I am as certain as I can be that Meir is a brother of Schmuil's father Movsha (my own great-great-grandfather, if you're following). In other words, Schmuil and his new wife are First Cousins. I discussed <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-6-it-takes.html">the implications of this</a> at some length in earlier chapters of this saga.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Movsha: Dora</span></b><br />Schmuil was followed over by his younger sister Dora, who must have come around 1888, though I have not been able to find a manifest for her. By the end of that year she had married Joseph Kawin, and was having her first child Abraham in Peoria.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Movsha: Joseph</span></b><br />Then a brother Joseph</span><span> </span><span>arrived around 1891. I was hoping to find him coming over together with his cousin Rochel Leah, who came around the same time, and was to marry Schmuil. Or maybe with his sister Dora, who came over a couple of years earlier. </span><span>No such luck, however - Joseph seems to have come on his own. I have several candidate manifests, with names and dates approximating to his, but I'm not convinced by any of them. Joseph applied for US naturalisation in 1895, under the name 'Torensky', but of course this doesn't have to be the name that appeared on the passenger list 4 or 5 years earlier.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span><span>Joseph and Dora were probably half- rather than full-</span><span>siblings</span><span> to Schmuil and my g-g'm Shprintsa, ie, same father, different mothers. Shprintsa </span></span><span>was the only one of Movsha's children to stay in Pinsk (she died there in 1932). Her son - my grandfather - Moshe Schreibman, did not follow his cousins to Peoria. He came to England in 1905.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span>Throughout the 1890s these three couples - Schmuil and Rochel Leah, Dora and her husband Joseph Kawin, and Joseph and his wife Sarah - raised their young families, and tried to make their living, in Peoria. </span><span>And I still don't know why they headed straight (more or less) for Peoria in the first place. </span></span></p><div><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>Meir: Joseph</b></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">And then Rochel Leah's siblings started arriving. These are the children of Meir, brother of Movsha. First off the boat was Joseph - not to be confused with the other Joseph, his cousin, who we have just been looking at - on 6 August 1904:</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiIyZyyqR7TDxwvdAsglHTfabAfdib4vslmQj8Vr3vgWtZp77LE4zjA_bPFj9i7tSGBWlxeMlxEA-0-VV7wFfSaGQ8SYBpQLqDw9rOTXicF8T9Qtj_5bVpW8lPNEeJOoOxn_BkE8aQRiPjk/s1432/1904+Joseph+Zaturensky+STN-NYC+clip.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="162" data-original-width="1432" height="72" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiIyZyyqR7TDxwvdAsglHTfabAfdib4vslmQj8Vr3vgWtZp77LE4zjA_bPFj9i7tSGBWlxeMlxEA-0-VV7wFfSaGQ8SYBpQLqDw9rOTXicF8T9Qtj_5bVpW8lPNEeJOoOxn_BkE8aQRiPjk/w640-h72/1904+Joseph+Zaturensky+STN-NYC+clip.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /><span>He's 26, married, and a shoemaker. And his name's spelt right!</span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Meir: Berl</span></b><br />Then his older brother Berl arrived on 7 December:</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgwB3s5Ita9F_6ajDtKWsgmGYUwMcs8X-UdsURt5WSiLBCyy-jbNWw3CW1ooMHFo6xbaIsQbs3cTZ4nsiOpA_NYvkz277S_GCasuwaa7YIby3o8Hn0zl6a4hniNrRin-lnz7KUf-BSP78cc/s2278/1904+Berl+Zaterawski+ANT-NYC+clip.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="190" data-original-width="2278" height="54" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgwB3s5Ita9F_6ajDtKWsgmGYUwMcs8X-UdsURt5WSiLBCyy-jbNWw3CW1ooMHFo6xbaIsQbs3cTZ4nsiOpA_NYvkz277S_GCasuwaa7YIby3o8Hn0zl6a4hniNrRin-lnz7KUf-BSP78cc/w640-h54/1904+Berl+Zaterawski+ANT-NYC+clip.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span>He's 28, married, and also a shoemaker. And his name's also spelt right - well, nearly. Berl's manifest shows him as coming from a place called "Selip", which may or may not be Vselub, a small town in the north-west of Belarus, halfway between Novogrudok and Lida. This is quite a way from Pinsk; it may be where his wife Fanny Daletisky comes from. We'll take a look at the places </span><span>mentioned by </span><span>the Zaturenskys in a later post.</span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span><span>Both of them are going to relatives in New York, Joseph to a cousin Eze Kolodny and Berl to a brother-in-law D Bleicher. I have not been able to trace either of these two relatives; so far as I can see, their surnames do not correspond any known Zaturensky-linked families, or to the families of the wives of </span><span>the two brothers. The brother-in-law bit is intriguing - this would have to be either the husband of Berl's own sister (no - unless there's another sister we don't know about yet), or his wife's </span></span><span>brother (wrong surname)</span><span>, or possibly his wife's sister's husband. Whichever way round, I've drawn a blank - there doesn't seem to be a D Bleicher around anywhere at that time.</span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">In any event, neither of them spent much time in New York - they both seem to have headed straight on to Chicago.</span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Berl's wife Fanny</span></b></span></span></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjdwpbFauzm4u5jqYYFMh11knjJxZcJ0GmlzExzJurEoybkv7fEUjogOOATJ3ViH2UgiCSrNXjdGRfsdS7AgCrRbs5Ol-sOEkIsHuYNxVG_exqIX_dU6DM1Me8cymwGoE59ZpbVDQ-qxTOU/s2502/1906+Freide+Zaturensky+%2526+ch+ANT-QUE+31+Oct+1906+clip.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="214" data-original-width="2502" height="54" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjdwpbFauzm4u5jqYYFMh11knjJxZcJ0GmlzExzJurEoybkv7fEUjogOOATJ3ViH2UgiCSrNXjdGRfsdS7AgCrRbs5Ol-sOEkIsHuYNxVG_exqIX_dU6DM1Me8cymwGoE59ZpbVDQ-qxTOU/w640-h54/1906+Freide+Zaturensky+%2526+ch+ANT-QUE+31+Oct+1906+clip.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /><span>And then, in 1906, a 23 year-old married woman, surname Zaturenski, from Radun in Russia, with a 3 year-old male child, stepped off the boat in Montreal, Canada. They are at the bottom of the page, and as luck would have it, the corner of the page is torn off, and their given names have been obliterated. However, we learn that she is going to her husband Berl Zaturensky in Chicago; this must be Fanny, Berl's wife, and their first child, who became 'Charles Henry' in America.</span></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Radun, by the way, is even further to the north than Vselub - it's north of Lida, right near the Lithuanian border. Is this where Fanny's family was from?</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">By 1908, when their son Nathan is born, Berl is calling himself 'Ben', and he's Benjamin Terensky thereafter, except on his death certificate in 1955, where he has anglicised the surname to 'Terence'.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Joseph's wife Esther</span></b><br />Joseph's wife Esther arrived in February 1907, with their daughter Leia.</span></div><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj0Bn46WtuhnynD52a1OcjRnSwp6X1fVH3sD9ZYB5h1aGcZbHQgbICO_XZ4Pnv-ibMhaAEFoLOEhUX-AppXX8bjuyUQyUsRaunJDMsIAbejISigXiXQ7iSlXtZU7J3IKtz8E9or1Gl4RTxS/s2364/1907+Ester+Saturansky+%2526+Leia+LIB-NYC+4+Feb+1907+clip.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="214" data-original-width="2364" height="58" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj0Bn46WtuhnynD52a1OcjRnSwp6X1fVH3sD9ZYB5h1aGcZbHQgbICO_XZ4Pnv-ibMhaAEFoLOEhUX-AppXX8bjuyUQyUsRaunJDMsIAbejISigXiXQ7iSlXtZU7J3IKtz8E9or1Gl4RTxS/w640-h58/1907+Ester+Saturansky+%2526+Leia+LIB-NYC+4+Feb+1907+clip.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /><span>Leia is shown as 10 months old, but this can't be right. As my father would have said, just do the vulgar fractions: 10 months back from Feb 1907 gives a birth date of</span><span> April 1906, and yet Joseph had left Russia in July 1904. The 1910 Census shows her as 5 years old, ie a birth date of late 1904 or early 1905, which makes much more sense.</span></span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Their last place of residence is shown as Lubischow, which is to the south of Pinsk, across the border in present-day Ukraine. I wondered whether this was where Esther's own family - Portnoi - came from, except that the right-hand column (not shown here) says both Esther and Leia were born in Nesvizh, which is some way to the north of Pinsk, half-way to Minsk. Nesvizh happens to be the place whose records show the largest concentration of the name Zaturensky. There are not many Zaturensky births in Pinsk in the records we have, but several of those that do exist have the note, "father from Nesvizh". None of these records are identifiable as ours, but I do suspect that eventually we'll be able to trace our people back to Nesvizh.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Oy vey! What a plethora of places. I'm beginning to feel the need to have a proper look at the geography of this family. It's not all Pinsk, you know. Watch this space.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Meir: Sarah</span></b><br />The last to arrive seems to have been Sarah, the younger sister of Berl and Joseph. I haven't found a manifest for her yet, but she must have arrived by 1908, because she married Adolf Hartenstein in Chicago in 1909. Adolf had arrived in 1907 from Austria, so they would not have known each other before Sarah came to Chicago.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Next up: our families up sticks again, across the United States from Peoria and Chicago to Los Angeles.</span></p>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-83907062707821738602021-01-25T23:28:00.007+00:002021-01-26T12:42:42.422+00:00Almost like an Auntie<p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"></span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh9-_aVywkobhvnrCUVKStWmMIiP1mw-AWVa4EvK0o_hceFQxaQzWN5bAXXRkbnH7uwc9IaMEA2XXShi-o9mwUXPf92Y2Ag3msAD3rjO6dSSexL9FzNweaREVWz6QoNJtvXcG9VHVR6xgd4/" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img alt="" data-original-height="508" data-original-width="282" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh9-_aVywkobhvnrCUVKStWmMIiP1mw-AWVa4EvK0o_hceFQxaQzWN5bAXXRkbnH7uwc9IaMEA2XXShi-o9mwUXPf92Y2Ag3msAD3rjO6dSSexL9FzNweaREVWz6QoNJtvXcG9VHVR6xgd4/" width="133" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><div><span style="color: #38761d; font-size: medium;"><b>11 Underwood Street</b></span></div>This pair of houses is at the end of a terrace in Underwood Street, in Mile End New Town in the East End of London. The house on the right is number 13, with a confectioner's shop on the ground floor - a veritable 'corner shop', very convenient for any children living nearby, and there were a few, next door at number 11. This house seems to have played a significant role in the lives of my Frankenstein family in their early days in London.</span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Mutual ignorance</span></b><br />At this point I ask you to bear in mind that 10 years ago, neither I nor anyone else in my own Frankenstein branch knew of the existence of the family of Rachel Frankenstein, who is the central character of this part of the family story. Nor did we know of the existence of Abram Rajn's family, and how they are connected to us. The ignorance was total, and mutual.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">None of us knew anything. The links which appear to have been so strong 100 years ago had grown weaker over the generations, and all but disappeared. All but: the one exception was a vestige of a family Tree reconstructed by Rajn and Boll cousins in the USA, who knew they were linked to each other by the two Frankenstein sisters, Tauba and Rywka Laja. They also knew there were more Frankenstein cousins somewhere, but they didn't know who we were, or where to find us. You can see how we found each other here: <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2012/09/finding-more-new-cousins.html">Finding more new cousins</a>.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Since then we've got our collective heads together, rummaged through archives, searched the far corners of the internet, walked the streets, shared photos, you name it. We even have a Facebook Group with over 100 members, all Children of Frankenstein ....</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Back to number 11</span></b><br />I introduced the house in a couple of posts two years ago - <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2019/03/its-rajning-cousins.html">It's Rajning Cousins</a>, and <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2019/03/11-underwood-street.html">11 Underwood Street</a> - I but didn't go on to write up the stories of the people involved.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Here's what we know so far. First, the dates we have are:</span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium; margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgqKNOr0qA3wqYxXuV07FiHClX10OX6EXeHQ4fwiX2P9t7SGksBn_qivzbNHcU9gz12XlYILghY8Cuu2E8ZAHkzJIMiMJBDhiJ8W12o202yTserXLS24yG_5vdZ34_CtqkwUrXZIi9S3kjt/s1128/11+Underwood+Street+events.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="600" data-original-width="1128" height="341" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgqKNOr0qA3wqYxXuV07FiHClX10OX6EXeHQ4fwiX2P9t7SGksBn_qivzbNHcU9gz12XlYILghY8Cuu2E8ZAHkzJIMiMJBDhiJ8W12o202yTserXLS24yG_5vdZ34_CtqkwUrXZIi9S3kjt/w640-h341/11+Underwood+Street+events.png" width="640" /></a></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><p><span style="font-family: inherit;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">1905: baby Jacob</span></b><br />The first mention we have of the house is in March 1905, when baby Jacob is born there to Morris Lefcovitch and his wife Rachel Leah Frankenstein. </span></p></span><p></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgcbyKeDB-TKP3n-KhPE6nzdEPyooTSJlaF10iPmFFgROinoMcCeg6kcrVzhW0QZby2AC0uBAp74B5E3wUnf8_owIL09EUpkAOYPPEK9Gz7kYFPSQOKG-X1LV_QhTO9Ca3Pys-A26apqU2n/s2208/Jacob+Lefcovitch+b+1905+clip.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="458" data-original-width="2208" height="132" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgcbyKeDB-TKP3n-KhPE6nzdEPyooTSJlaF10iPmFFgROinoMcCeg6kcrVzhW0QZby2AC0uBAp74B5E3wUnf8_owIL09EUpkAOYPPEK9Gz7kYFPSQOKG-X1LV_QhTO9Ca3Pys-A26apqU2n/w640-h132/Jacob+Lefcovitch+b+1905+clip.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><p><span style="font-family: inherit;">Rachel's father Israel Jacob had died in Poland some time in the mid-late 1870s, and her mother Sarah came to London a few years later with Rachel, and her siblings Boruch (Barnett) and Bajla (Betsy); Rachel's older brother Jonah (Jacob) was already there - his first child Moses was born in London in 1879. Rachel and Morris were not in this house in the 1901 Census - they were in Spelman Street, another place that figures repeatedly in the family story - so they must have moved to Underwood Street some time between that Census and the birth of baby Jacob in March 1905.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit;">Rachel and Morris are still there in April 1911, when the next Census was taken, and we have no documents showing them anywhere else until they set off for (another) new life in Australia in January 1913.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit;">But before they go, they play host to a couple of family events that allow us to firm up our understanding of how some of the members of our Frankenstein clan relate to each other. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span><b><span style="color: #38761d;">1907: Abraham and Bloomah</span></b><br />The first occasion is the marriage of Abraham Isaac Ray and Bloomah Freedman in 1907 (see </span><a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2019/03/its-rajning-cousins.html">It's Rajning Cousins</a><span>)</span></span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjZeaDrks4K3OscFAhli2Tp9V8lOSwHMjCRls4f1_uHS1BTXas4J7lTchOus4jRXXAPPTUc60pXtCeDoA89VbzCqWhCW8U0TnEwYBsttu5QnnpUBl4s5QJ8BdKOp8nb447JlOzECDpz1b-d/s1998/Abraham+Ray+m+Bloomah+Freedman+1907+cert+clip.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="300" data-original-width="1998" height="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjZeaDrks4K3OscFAhli2Tp9V8lOSwHMjCRls4f1_uHS1BTXas4J7lTchOus4jRXXAPPTUc60pXtCeDoA89VbzCqWhCW8U0TnEwYBsttu5QnnpUBl4s5QJ8BdKOp8nb447JlOzECDpz1b-d/w640-h0/Abraham+Ray+m+Bloomah+Freedman+1907+cert+clip.png" width="640" /></a><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhdIQBPQVAaFyxRr1zx8xmgQbovvC-OVTdyVk3QOVlnk2Rn7MoBhBoyZF5ZHWSaFRPsWAN6JQ54wpL_1UYZgtYpW3ZtSdXWKfXQcFnTA9nUk5DpJzYz-Vvy_WR2VptzrByXnBqNS0NQgYSc/s1998/Abraham+Ray+m+Bloomah+Freedman+1907+cert+clip.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="300" data-original-width="1998" height="96" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhdIQBPQVAaFyxRr1zx8xmgQbovvC-OVTdyVk3QOVlnk2Rn7MoBhBoyZF5ZHWSaFRPsWAN6JQ54wpL_1UYZgtYpW3ZtSdXWKfXQcFnTA9nUk5DpJzYz-Vvy_WR2VptzrByXnBqNS0NQgYSc/w640-h96/Abraham+Ray+m+Bloomah+Freedman+1907+cert+clip.png" width="640" /></a></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">Abraham Isaac Ray, aged 22, is our Abram Icek Rajn, b 1883 according to the Polish records, and he is marrying Bloomah Freedman, also 22. His father, "Harris Barnett Ray", is Hersz Ber Rajn, who had died in 1894. Hersz Ber was originally married to Tauba Frankensztajn, and she is the mother of Abram. However, she died in 1887, and Hersz Ber re-married, this time to Tauba's younger sister Rywka Laja Frankensztajn.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">But first, why are the happy couple both down as of "11 Underwood Street"? The Lefcovitches haven't moved out, indeed they are still there in 1911, as we've seen. Is there a family connection? Specifically, is there a Frankenstein connection? Is Rachel Frankenstein Lefcovitch connected to Abram's mother, Tauba Frankensztajn Rajn? It turns out we've asked this question before, and the answer is: Yes.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">In <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2019/03/two-stones-son-of-leib.html">Two stones: son of Leib</a>, we pulled together all the clues, and concluded that these two families are indeed one. The link between the characters in this story is that Rachel's father Israel Jacob turns out to be a brother of Wolek, the father of Tauba and Rywka Laja. So Rachel is a first cousin to the two sisters, and first cousin once-removed to Tauba's son Abram. So it made sense for her to host his wedding. She's a<span>lmost like an Auntie to him.</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><b><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit;">1916: Freda and Aaron</span></b></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">In <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2017/02/is-this-missing-link.html"><span>Is this the Missing Lin</span>k?</a> we looked at<span> the marriage a few years later of Aaron Hyman and Freda Rayne </span><span>(1916). </span><span>Freda is the daughter of Rywka Laja Frankensztajn and Hersz Ber Rajn, which makes her a half-sister to Abram. In fact, I am reliably advised that because they have the same father, and their mothers (Tauba and Rywka Laja) are sisters, </span><span>Abram and </span><span>Freda should be ranked even closer - they're three-quarter siblings.</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span>There was also a what-house-is-it clue in that marriage. Freda's husband-to-be Aaron Hyman gave as his address 28 Blythe Street, which we recognised as the home of Barnett Frankenstein. </span><span>Barnett of course is the brother of Rachel Frankenstein Lefcovitch. So Freda has the same relationship to Barnett as Abram does to Rachel - they're first cousins once-removed. He's almost like an Uncle to her.</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span><b><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit;">1912: Fanny and Lewis</span></b></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span>Then, in August 1912, just a few months before they set off for Australia, Morris and Rachel Lefcovitch play host to another happy couple - </span><span>Louis Allerhand and Fanny Shalinsky - see </span><a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2017/03/another-link-in-chain.html">Another Link in the Chain</a><span>.</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0Ulnak4lfi1EaoZDggodLTRC_rjfExzXY4Dof8tcN8v5wiNlDzcgnj6Sjkhd904qFFl4yE5d1rXAYdwoScEYTJ-IMgWUg9ohkZhtEtSiD1mjG2YoxsEKWMt61hY0hI6mn4If1wfHXotul/s2128/Lewis+Allerhand+m+Fanny+Shalinsky+1912+GRO+Cert+clip.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><img border="0" data-original-height="486" data-original-width="2128" height="146" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0Ulnak4lfi1EaoZDggodLTRC_rjfExzXY4Dof8tcN8v5wiNlDzcgnj6Sjkhd904qFFl4yE5d1rXAYdwoScEYTJ-IMgWUg9ohkZhtEtSiD1mjG2YoxsEKWMt61hY0hI6mn4If1wfHXotul/w640-h146/Lewis+Allerhand+m+Fanny+Shalinsky+1912+GRO+Cert+clip.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /><span>Fanny is a shadowy figure. She appears in the 1901 Census as a grand-daughter of Rachel's mother, Sarah Frankenstein. She is shown as born in Gombin, the family's home-town, around 1887, but we know little about her parents. We see </span><span>on the Certificate</span><span> that her father</span><span> </span><span>was Samuel </span><span>Shalinsky, but we have found no further trace of him either in Poland or in England. As for her mother, we </span><span>have to presume that she was a daughter, as yet unidentified, of Sarah and Israel Jacob. In other words, Fanny's mother is a sister of Rachel Frankenstein Lefcovitch.</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span>Fanny is not with Sarah's family in London in the 1891 Census, so a working assumption is that her mother had died in Poland some time in the 1890s, and Fanny - probably no older than 10 or 12 - was sent over to live with Grandma Sarah. I</span><span>n the 1911 Census </span><span>Sarah is around 70, and boarding with an unconnected family, but </span><span>I have not yet found Fanny. Sarah died in June 1912.</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">All this suggests that when the time came for Fanny to marry Lewis Allerhand in August 1912, it made sense for the bride and groom to be staying at the house of Morris and Rachel Lefcovitch. After all, Rachel really was her Auntie.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span><b><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit;">1912: Uncle Morris</span></b></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">And there's one more touch that cements the relationship between our two Frankenstein branches. One of the witnesses to Fanny Shalinsky's marriage is Morris Frankenstein. This is Moszek Boruch, a brother of Tauba and Rywka Laja. If you've been paying proper attention, you will recall that Morris's father Wolek is brother to Fanny's mother's father Israel Jacob.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span>All of which makes Morris a </span><span>first cousin to </span><span>Fanny's mother (whoever she is). So he's a first cousin once-removed to Fanny herself, and thus a very suitable witness to her marriage. He's almost like an Uncle to her.</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><p></p></span>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-13922106641432830222021-01-10T18:16:00.000+00:002021-01-10T18:16:03.831+00:00Genetic Groups on MyHeritage: 5 What Next?<div><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">In previous posts I've put down some <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/12/genetic-groups-on-myheritage-first.html">First Thoughts</a> on MyHeritage's new Genetic groups, discussed their <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2021/01/genetic-groups-on-myheritage-who-i-am.html">Ethnicity Estimates</a> and <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2021/01/genetic-groups-on-myheritage-mapping.html">Historical Maps</a> and found them both wanting, and had a first look at <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2021/01/genetic-groups-on-myheritage-4-tales.html">how the Groups themselves shape up</a> in my own family, and found them very promising indeed. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Here's a few ideas for next steps.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>1 Match info</b><br />First off, MyH should add the Genetic Groups to the information it gives us about all our matches. This information is already quite substantial, but the GGs have the potential to add even more value to it. Up front, in the Match List, just below the Estimated Relationships, there's plenty of room:</span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEifQC0MQwqgVWcnKJj_yHgWaVBUx85jhtftwNJmmru3iHTFpo1X1GqKYfBFpNoR8za6GKU17mcsVS0_k3GxNC9CIbhpTFaTTsyadc2EAkRd5nv0S7gQWOrSkZDzmFtBvJbbjcJzel0jcvYT/s1210/match+info.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="344" data-original-width="1210" height="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEifQC0MQwqgVWcnKJj_yHgWaVBUx85jhtftwNJmmru3iHTFpo1X1GqKYfBFpNoR8za6GKU17mcsVS0_k3GxNC9CIbhpTFaTTsyadc2EAkRd5nv0S7gQWOrSkZDzmFtBvJbbjcJzel0jcvYT/w640-h0/match+info.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjXlpXxznmFo2ZpFTSd-TcgdOZb9eDlULmCaJt1BGo1q9IDWtG4zzyBhgoRPTEjOHeOHEGGX19JcihwgXZRb59HAEPYVWSdKVHEwj7ZBjD2jUFHXXR5BEX-VaCAFPWU2EQzTkQEK92eCJh_/s1210/match+info.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="344" data-original-width="1210" height="182" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjXlpXxznmFo2ZpFTSd-TcgdOZb9eDlULmCaJt1BGo1q9IDWtG4zzyBhgoRPTEjOHeOHEGGX19JcihwgXZRb59HAEPYVWSdKVHEwj7ZBjD2jUFHXXR5BEX-VaCAFPWU2EQzTkQEK92eCJh_/w640-h182/match+info.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span><b>2 Match filter</b><br />Next, add a Filter for 'Your Genetic Groups' </span><span>at the top of the Match List</span><span>, so that we can see in one list all matches who share a particular GG with us. Once again, there is plenty of room. This could be very revealing, and lead to immediate progress in tracing family connections.</span></span></div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhhTwpzR_cpWb7SEb-XREoOcrNWzWOgeIKW_bmQRjV5lbMvGyUpagRMsOBnPCABMwkWm-Xn_AeD6WwDXV7kYb5i_DWdv7p0uPXALvmGAnfCJvCXpp9dGyYdDaQM-ijTx3yOcDDk1Jjgl1V9/s2186/filter+for+GGs.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="344" data-original-width="2186" height="100" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhhTwpzR_cpWb7SEb-XREoOcrNWzWOgeIKW_bmQRjV5lbMvGyUpagRMsOBnPCABMwkWm-Xn_AeD6WwDXV7kYb5i_DWdv7p0uPXALvmGAnfCJvCXpp9dGyYdDaQM-ijTx3yOcDDk1Jjgl1V9/w640-h100/filter+for+GGs.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span><b>3 Group info on segments</b><br />Let us see the segment information on which the Genetic Groups are based. This could be via an option to display a GG label on segments in the Chromosome Browser, for instance. This would immediately help us to distinguish maternal matches </span><span>from </span><span>paternal ones, and could even help us to further narrow down how these matches are related to us.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>4 Maternal/paternal labels on segments</b><br />Once we have identified our closest maternal and paternal matches, MyH could possibly even automate the allocation of maternal and paternal sides to individual segments, thus taking the 'bucket' procedure used by FTDNA to a whole new level.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span><b>5 Pile-up info</b><br />MyH say they have taken segments of all sizes into account when compiling the Genetic Groups. I presume this includes the pile-up regions that are the bane of Ashkenazi Jewish genetic genealogy. </span><span>Could it even be that the pile-ups themselves are pointing towards</span><span> the Genetic Groups? For instance, could membership of a given GG be determined by a combination of specific pile-ups on specific chromosomes? If this is what is happening, MyH has all the info needed to identify this association for us.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>6 Timeline</b><br />Following on from (5), might it then be possible to suggest a timeframe for the formation of these Genetic Groups? This could contribute towards our understanding of the patterns of migration of the AJ community, in particular the movement from Western Europe towards the East during medieval times, and even the origins of the community itself.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>7 Time to MRCA</b><br />In turn, could (6) even lead us towards an estimation of Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor(s), for any given pile-up region? Where and when did a particular pile-up segment originate?</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>8 Location, location, location</b><br />How local can we get? In her <a href="https://dna-explained.com/2020/12/24/introducing-genetic-groups-at-myheritage/?fbclid=IwAR2Xmpyzu2y6aNgzRLM_wl2-fReshHIoq0ABdVqFDwfxUH0X5-pkIB4uZ4Y" target="_blank">original article</a> - all of two weeks ago! - Roberta Estes said that MyH had "absolutely nailed" her Dutch ancestry, pinning one of her Genetic Groups down to an area 20 miles square. I don't expect quite this level of precision for AJs - but ..... ???</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>9 Third Parties</b><br />I would love to see what our friends at <a href="https://dnapainter.com" target="_blank">DNA Painter</a> and <a href="https://www.geneticaffairs.com/index.html" target="_blank">Genetic Affairs</a> can dream up. I have in the past asked Jonny Perl at DNA Painter if they could find a way for AJs to identify our individual pile-up regions. Maybe he could offer us the option of colourising our Genetic Groups in the Chromosome Browser display? And Genetic Affairs' AutoClusters do not seem to be working for AJs as well as they do for non-endogamous groups. Can Evert-Jan Blom find a way of including MyH's Genetic Groups in the cluster information he gives us? We would then be able to see to what extent there is a correlation between the clusters, which are based on shared matches, and the GGs, which are based on shared segments - ie, actual DNA.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">That's probably enough to be going on with.</span></p></div>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-19856782182861016382021-01-10T18:11:00.001+00:002021-01-10T18:18:39.292+00:00Genetic Groups on MyHeritage: 4 The Tales They Tell<p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"> </span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhN0R6yKcJ6fGCYr7ulMQkWQMQQHtb2ozDnd1PH_s8c0TXs0JyK8J8xhT2pCpQTks9TKWz3TBpj3C9AftxB8tlPA79-iQWQvI2jJ80eHOp9Us-x3qAmKzjROcKjMbk0hJJBiqVVUD6sKwaw/s1394/Genetic+Groups+spreadsheet+M%2526B.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="162" data-original-width="1394" height="76" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhN0R6yKcJ6fGCYr7ulMQkWQMQQHtb2ozDnd1PH_s8c0TXs0JyK8J8xhT2pCpQTks9TKWz3TBpj3C9AftxB8tlPA79-iQWQvI2jJ80eHOp9Us-x3qAmKzjROcKjMbk0hJJBiqVVUD6sKwaw/w640-h76/Genetic+Groups+spreadsheet+M%2526B.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">The Genetic Groups assigned to myself and my brother by MyHeritageDNA<br />NB: Confidence levels: <b>High</b> - Medium - <i>Low</i></span></div><p></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span>Genetic Groups (<a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/12/genetic-groups-on-myheritage-first.html">First Thoughts</a>) are the most significant new feature of the recent upgrade to </span><span>MyHeritageDNA. They are doing something that I don't think is even on the radar of any of the other consumer-oriented DNA companies. They compare the </span><span>autosomal DNA of </span><span>thousands of people at the segment-level, and where they find sufficient similarities, they assign us to specific Genetic Groups. I think this approach has huge potential for those of us who are looking to uncover our genetic background, at both individual and community levels, and also for those seeking to discover new - or long-lost - family connections.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span><b>Not ours, but theirs</b><br />But first, let's dispose of </span><span>the Ethnicity Estimates and Historical Maps presented to us by </span><span>MyH</span><span> as part of this "upgrade".</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span>In previous posts (<a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2021/01/genetic-groups-on-myheritage-who-i-am.html">Who I Am and Who I Am Not</a>, and <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2021/01/genetic-groups-on-myheritage-mapping.html" target="_blank">Mapping the Past, or Not</a>) I have been highly critical of</span><span> both features. They are based on faulty logic, and are consequently highly misleading. Both purport to tell us about our ancestry, but in fact both are based not on our own genetic history but on that of the people we have DNA matches with. The "ethnicities" and maps are not ours, but theirs.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">This pseudo-science culminates in the absurdity of a map of Europe in the period 1600-1650, which appears to portray Britain as being home to a substantial proportion of the continent's Ashkenazi Jews. At this time, of course, there weren't any Jews in Britain at all. Jews - all Jews - had been excluded from the country for over 300 years.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span>Both features should be consigned to the bin marked "In need of urgent attention". At the very least they both need to display a Genetic Genealogy Health Warning, p</span><span>rominently and i</span><span>mmediately. Maybe something along the lines of: "These Ethnicities and Maps can seriously damage your understanding of your genetic origins. Remember: they </span>are not yours, they are those of your matches."</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>Genetic Groups</b><br />The Genetic Groups, on the other hand, appear to be built on a sound scientific basis. I shall look at what I think these Groups can bring to our family history research, and suggest ways in which the concept could be developed.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span>The chart at the top shows the Groups that have been assigned to myself and my brother. Both our parents were from Ashkenazi Jewish families, our mother's side from Poland and our father's from Belarus. I'm hoping that we can make some sort of sense out of these Groups. Are some of them paternal side, and some maternal? Is there a geographical logic to them? </span><span>Or are they all one indistinguishable mess, as most of AJ genetic genealogy seems to be?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Note that MyH gives a us 'Confidence level' for each of these Groups, of High, Medium or Low. In the charts I have shown these in <b>bold</b>, normal, and <i>italic</i> script respectively.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">I have been classified in 5 Genetic Groups, my brother Brian in 6 - the same 5 as I have, with one extra. For GG5215 and 5052, we are both High Confidence; I am High for GG5043 and Medium for 5073, whilst Brian is the other way round. We are both Medium for GG5032. Meanwhile Brian has a Medium for GG5227, which I don't seem to have at all.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">So far, not so far. Brian and I are very similar, but not identical.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>The cousins show up</b><br />However, I think there are indeed some interesting things to discover when we look at how some of our cousins show up.</span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgbKQPaD-gv3TzxcQgB14iAV3oTglX-PDHXo0VuZjN8MTd1XbzWoTzaOxieirNgDRyxkMNyBRRXoIkrDf3YqrQgqTNtQpUrjsuAyhspa3BP3o9ggGOLDKzkM9irr9DxVRaVXsVb7JAkaVzs/s1494/Genetic+Groups+spreadsheet.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="876" data-original-width="1494" height="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgbKQPaD-gv3TzxcQgB14iAV3oTglX-PDHXo0VuZjN8MTd1XbzWoTzaOxieirNgDRyxkMNyBRRXoIkrDf3YqrQgqTNtQpUrjsuAyhspa3BP3o9ggGOLDKzkM9irr9DxVRaVXsVb7JAkaVzs/w640-h0/Genetic+Groups+spreadsheet.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEio9aYcmtz6F6QeLrGOydCwUrFjSwGFQf166uvnYzVHkZI7TyR33mRq5Q7jMu-ILD763u1c2OkiHWHkmXNgxmvBItGnIRGib_qnfaYieNf0aOMmAzZziGH3_eqogZC9a6Aukz4DB5aVRQDz/s1494/Genetic+Groups+spreadsheet.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="876" data-original-width="1494" height="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEio9aYcmtz6F6QeLrGOydCwUrFjSwGFQf166uvnYzVHkZI7TyR33mRq5Q7jMu-ILD763u1c2OkiHWHkmXNgxmvBItGnIRGib_qnfaYieNf0aOMmAzZziGH3_eqogZC9a6Aukz4DB5aVRQDz/w400-h0/Genetic+Groups+spreadsheet.png" width="400" /></span></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgL85oAXPvFVjwao4-zOsY50F3iazFFNP5RFlrwrbs3Mw35sGUTG3eFUhLpNbGTgzjeEazosI68hHH4BfxFPxmJ056_NL-ikXCp6duabpMVJispMkuIWeBzNCE7ia8O2otJ3i9aG-l4cQoV/s1494/Genetic+Groups+spreadsheet.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="876" data-original-width="1494" height="376" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgL85oAXPvFVjwao4-zOsY50F3iazFFNP5RFlrwrbs3Mw35sGUTG3eFUhLpNbGTgzjeEazosI68hHH4BfxFPxmJ056_NL-ikXCp6duabpMVJispMkuIWeBzNCE7ia8O2otJ3i9aG-l4cQoV/w640-h376/Genetic+Groups+spreadsheet.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Genetic Groups for myself, Brian and some of our cousins</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">NB: blue - paternal side, pink - maternal side</span></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br />Brian and I have 14 known cousins on MyH-DNA, 7 on our paternal side (blue in the chart, from various places in Belarus), and 7 maternal (pink, from Central Poland 100km West of Warsaw, on or near the Vistula River). In the blue corner they range from Katy, a 1C1R (first cousin once-removed) to Gerald, a 3C1R. Katy shares all our ancestral families on the paternal side, the 2Cs represented here all share Ilyutovich and Levin, but not Schreibman, and the 3Cs share only Levin.</span><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">In the pink corner the cousins we have on MyH at the moment are a little more distant. The 4Cs share only Frankenstein, whilst the 3C-4C*2s are all closely related to each other - Arlene and Sandra are sisters, Daniel K and Laurie are also siblings, children of Sandra. This line is related to us twice over, via two brother/sister Frankenstein - sister/brother Zegelman marriages over 150 years ago.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">As far as we know, there is no connection between our paternal and maternal sides, until our parents got together, of course. However, FTDNA does insist on telling us that a number of our matches there match us on both sides. We presume this is down to general AJ endogamy, especially given the geographical separation between the two sides over at least the past 200 years.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>Intrigue</b><br />The resulting charts are intriguing; please note I am not necessarily looking at the Groups in order from left to right:<br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">GG5215: nobody in the pink corner (maternal side) is in this Group, and there are only 2 blues; only one of these blues - Katy - has a High Confidence rating. She is our only Schreibman match on MyH at the moment. We can therefore confidently classify GG5215 as our Schreibman Genetic Group.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">GG5073: has no pinks, but all the blues are there. GG5073 is therefore paternal, and associated with Belarus. Furthermore, the only High-rated cousins are the Ilyutoviches, who were from Lida in NW Belarus. Katy, who shares Ilyutovich, is Medium-rated, as are the 2 Levin cousins, who do not. Brian is High, I am Medium. This is our strongest Ilyutovich Group.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">GG5052: is present across both blues and pinks - but all the pinks are High-rated; amongst the blues, only the Levins are High, whilst some of the Ilyutoviches are Low. This is clearly our main Frankenstein/Zegelman Group, and is based in West Central Poland. It could be that our Levins have a connection with this area that we do not (yet) know about. Or it could just be more general AJ endogamy creeping in.</span></div><div><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">GG5043: all cousins bar Katy share this Group. Only Gerald of the blues is rated High; on the pink side, only the double Frankenstein/Zegelman cousins are High. I am High, Brian is Medium. I don't think we yet in a position to definitively allocate this Group to paternal or maternal, to Belarus or to Poland.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">GG5032: Brian and I are both Medium. No-one in either blues or pinks is rated High. All the pinks are in this group, but only half are Medium, the others are Low. On the blue side it is a bit more nuanced. All the Ilyutoviches have it, whereas of the others, only one Levin does, and he is Low. There are 2 Highs, Daniel and his nephew Jeffrey, one of whose lines is Rothstein from Miedrzyziec Podlaski in Eastern Poland, not far from the border with Belarus. So, more endogamy, but leaning towards E Poland.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">GG5227: Brian is Medium, whilst I don't have this Group at all. The only others who have this Group are the two Rothsteins, and three of the Frankenstein/Zegelmans, but they are all weak. I'm guessing Central Poland for this one, maybe tending towards the East.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>Strangeness and Litvaks</b><br />GG5031: this one is strange, as whilst neither Brian nor I have this group at all, most of our cousins on both sides do. Of the blues, Katy is High, and all the Ilyutoviches are Medium, as is Beatrice of the Levins. Of the pinks, all the Frankensteins and Zegelmans, bar Angela, appear, but at a lower rating than the blues. Katy's High rating is intriguing; this Group is clearly not a Schreibman Group - Brian and I would be there if it were. Katy's father's family is from Lithuania, and we have no known connection there, although Lida, our shared Ilyutovich area, is close to the Lithuanian border, and often came under Lithuanian influence. Maybe some of the other cousins have Litvak connections; we know little of their Trees outside how they connect to us.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">As you would expect, there are further Groups like this last one that have some cousinly representation, but that Brian and I are absent from. However, there are not many of them, and our cousins' presence in them is sparser than in the Groups that we do share with them.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">OK. That's a first analysis of our Genetic Groups. Fascinating, although at the moment I don't see much more that we can do with them. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2021/01/genetic-groups-on-myheritage-5-what-next.html">What next?</a></span></p></div>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-5363785716470768962021-01-08T17:26:00.001+00:002021-01-10T18:21:06.546+00:00Genetic Groups on MyHeritage: 3 Mapping the Past, or Not<p></p><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"> </span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgq0w3gHMF-qtCHNbjDCGcAj8X0vRL8BJ8N1vtykm3dUN468znTx5gyfLNmGm6EaGNA912ODnzvYVK0YpD84R_Nwv0RDtgaS2nO6-TjmDNfzkiSOvb7KggqswD4jGxMYUukXory7L1Ez3u0/s1522/MS+GG5215+1850-1900+EUR+2.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="724" data-original-width="1522" height="304" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgq0w3gHMF-qtCHNbjDCGcAj8X0vRL8BJ8N1vtykm3dUN468znTx5gyfLNmGm6EaGNA912ODnzvYVK0YpD84R_Nwv0RDtgaS2nO6-TjmDNfzkiSOvb7KggqswD4jGxMYUukXory7L1Ez3u0/w640-h304/MS+GG5215+1850-1900+EUR+2.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><p></p><p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">MyHeritage AJ Genetic Group 5215, distribution 1850-1900</span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Ashkenazi Genetic Groups</span></b><br />MyHeritage has discerned 24 distinct genetic groups for Ashkenazi Jews, based on their analysis of the autosomal DNA of the people who have tested with the company. I must say before we even start, that I don't think this has ever been attempted before. It is a huge advance on the vague, confusing and inaccurate "Ethinicity Estimate" approach that they and other companies have been using up till now.</span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">I must also say that unfortunately, the most visually appealing element of the initial roll-out of Genetic Groups, the historical distribution maps, are presented in a highly misleading way. This post attempts to explain how this happens.</span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">My 5 GGs</span></b><br />MyH has allocated me to 5 of the 24 AJ groups, which in itself is of interest. It suggests that I do not have much, if any, genetic affinity to the members of any of the other 19 groups. In other words, AJs are <i>not</i> all related to each other. It suggests that our endogamy is <i>within</i> our own genetic groups, and not <i>across</i> them. Which makes sense, but also raises an intriguing issue: many of these AJ Genetic Groups appear to cover quite wide geographical areas (see the map in the post <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/12/genetic-groups-on-myheritage-first.html">First Thoughts</a>), and many of these Groups appear to be in the same areas at the same time. How did they manage to keep the groups genetically distnct? Did they not inter-marry?</span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Also of interest, to me at least, is the fact that I do not appear to connect to any of the Sephardic Groups. That knocks that family myth on the head.</span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">From Trees to Maps</span></b><br />One of my AJ groups is numbered 5215. About half the people in Genetic Group 5215 have posted family Trees on MyH. The company has used the location information included in these Trees to map the geographical distribution of the ancestors of group members over time. </span></p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhgkoYDDd3qVOnX4TjOmwEq_yBMzwlxMf-aBbZS_zhAhoCd-u5T3enwVaxSavw31iuHWr4hDpQBGOTD0ZGAydltJRIcPFj2EcUtG6utEWP_SfItSYEEIVtmcy35Vzl3axRunTN2c0tVLaub/s694/GG5215+DNA+kits+%2526+Trees+used.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="140" data-original-width="694" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhgkoYDDd3qVOnX4TjOmwEq_yBMzwlxMf-aBbZS_zhAhoCd-u5T3enwVaxSavw31iuHWr4hDpQBGOTD0ZGAydltJRIcPFj2EcUtG6utEWP_SfItSYEEIVtmcy35Vzl3axRunTN2c0tVLaub/s320/GG5215+DNA+kits+%2526+Trees+used.png" width="320" /></span></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">The map above purports to show where the ancestors of the members of Genetic Group 5215 were living in the period 1850-1900. There are other maps for each of the 50-year periods between the years 1600 and 2000, and it is highly instructive to see how the distribution of population shown on these maps evolves over the years.</span></div><p></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">A bit of a puzzle</span></b><br />The families of all 4 of my grandparents are documented in Eastern Europe in the period shown on this map - my mother's side in Central Poland, and my father's in Belarus. The map above shows a just a light smattering in Belarus, some in Central Poland, some in the Austria-Hungary area, and stronger concentrations in the Netherlands and in Britain. Were my 5215s really more concentrated in England than in Belarus or Poland in the late 19C? This is a bit puzzling, because we know that the mass immigration of Jews from Eastern Europe to the UK only began after 1880, and the bulk of it was after 1900. So why does the map suggest otherwise?</span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">A little look at Belarus</span></b><br />Before we delve further into this, let's have a closer look at Belarus.</span></p><p style="text-align: left;"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhA8u7wf5ClhTZh52PPKXmFDG3fgljPv0D-EUGPng8EkkWv5R0QIme6JkWnbXwNDGG04-upa0_uRxnPHz0B0bb2PUZ-qm7nti0iIOEIzFpmRnh2eFZRpm746ta0abEQfczc0WBrFxwR07LP/s1882/MS+GG5215+1850-1900+BLR.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1390" data-original-width="1882" height="472" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhA8u7wf5ClhTZh52PPKXmFDG3fgljPv0D-EUGPng8EkkWv5R0QIme6JkWnbXwNDGG04-upa0_uRxnPHz0B0bb2PUZ-qm7nti0iIOEIzFpmRnh2eFZRpm746ta0abEQfczc0WBrFxwR07LP/w640-h472/MS+GG5215+1850-1900+BLR.png" width="640" /></a></span></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br />When we zoom in on Belarus in the 1850-1900 map, we can see that the 5215s are indeed represented in my three paternal-side areas - my Schreibmans and Zaturenskys are from Pinsk (bottom left), my Levins from Gomel (Homyel, bottom right), and my Ilyutoviches from Lida (upper left). But there are some wide open spaces in between. Some of my other Genetic Groups have even less presence in Belarus, so this might still be an indicator that this is indeed where my families are from. Unless, of course the pinpointing of these three areas has arisen at least in part from the information I have put into my own MyH Tree - in which case, we're going round in circles.</span><p></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Pause for thought</span></b><br />At this point, we should pause, and remember where the information that has gone into these maps comes from. MyH has found that amongst the people who have tested with them, there are 1330 whose autosomal DNA is sufficiently aligned to justify the creation of a Genetic Group specifically for them, GG5215. Just under half of these - 623 - have Trees on MyH. The company has combed those Trees for whatever ancestral date and place information it can find, in particular births, marriages and deaths. It then maps this material in 50-year periods. So far, so good.</span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">However, what they have not done, and cannot do, is DNA-test all the ancestors that appear on those Trees. They may not all be GG5215s. In fact, we know that many of them are not; for a start, they have allocated me to 4 other AJ Groups. The descendants who have tested may show sufficient genetic characteristics to warrant being allocated to this Group, but many or most of them will also have ancestors from other AJ Groups, or who are not AJ at all.</span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">For instance</span></b><br />A couple of examples from my own case will illustrate this point. As I mentioned before, half my ancestors are AJs from Poland, half AJs from Belarus. I have both sides documented in those places back to +/- 1800. So I would be happy to accept that GG5215 covers both areas, and both sides of my family. But none of my genetic ancestors were in western Europe or the UK in that period, and I very much doubt that any of the AJ ancestors of other members of the group were there either, for the reasons outlined above. So what is the genetic connection between GG5215 members and these places? It can only be that some of them have ancestors who were not AJ. So I'm expecting to see evidence of non-AJ ancestors in the Trees of at least some of my fellow GG5215 group members, and specifically of ancestors from Western Europe and Britain.</span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Close to home</span></b><br />And I don't have far to look. Consider my 1C1R (first cousin once-removed), Katy. We share my paternal line - her grandfather was my Uncle Mick, my father's brother. Mick married Margaret, a non-Jewish English woman, so although Katy got enough of the characteristic GG5215 DNA from Mick to qualify for the Group, she also has 25% English ancestry through her grandmother Margaret. MyH have picked her English ancestors up from her Tree, and put them on the 5215 map. Where they don't belong.</span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">And this is all exacerbated by the fact that people with English ancestry can generally take their lines much further back that AJs can, with the exception maybe of a handful of rabbinical lines, and this applies to places as well as names. So when you look at the earlier maps for GG5215, you find that the places where records are available show up much more strongly than those where they're not. And the further back you go, the greater the disparity, and the more skewed the results will be. </span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Reductio ad Absurdum</span></b><br />And you end up with this absurdity:</span></p><p style="text-align: left;"></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhl7kKpnw1d6Oa80OIQsb7Tq2OCCulhij9x75_gSU04wgFoERzOcdmWToioYWCBW8bClbuQMrjRMFJYY9MwbwM7kRWWFUsbuj29v9uXu22gs4ZevESV8nhOFxEXaVSij5R1GPKneLv8zr-3/s2064/MS+GG5215+1600-1650+EUR.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1214" data-original-width="2064" height="376" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhl7kKpnw1d6Oa80OIQsb7Tq2OCCulhij9x75_gSU04wgFoERzOcdmWToioYWCBW8bClbuQMrjRMFJYY9MwbwM7kRWWFUsbuj29v9uXu22gs4ZevESV8nhOFxEXaVSij5R1GPKneLv8zr-3/w640-h376/MS+GG5215+1600-1650+EUR.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">MyHeritage AJ Genetic Group 5215, distribution 1600-1650</span></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br />But there weren't any Jews in England in 1600-1650.</span><p></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">They had been expelled in 1290 and were not re-admitted until 1656. (See <a href="https://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/england_articles/1290_to_1656.htm" target="_blank">From Expulsion to Readmission</a>, by Ariel Hessayon, for the background to both of these episodes). And even then they were mostly Sephardim, originating from Spain and Portugal, not AJs - including no doubt my GG5215 ancestors - who to the best of our historical knowledge, originated in Germany, moved towards the east in the late Middle Ages, and were by 1600 well established in Poland and probably settling in Belarus as well.</span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">So whilst these maps do represent my GG5215 ancestors, to the best of our limited collective knowledge, they also represent the ancestors of all members of 5215 who have Trees on MyH. And this includes those of their ancestors who were not 5215ers, or not Jews at all, and could have come from anywhere, especially, it seems, from Southern England and the Netherlands.</span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">So it's not my ancestors on these maps, it's theirs.</span></p><p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium; margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgyynsaQoS1VK7j_LahniKRY56cZo-wb-uMpyFyB_D5vuYACGmN0wcVYuZWA_cvQ-_nKx35kaiCpQREymA6z6sSTuoNVhhIikaRfgwXIHbt7XD-a9aJ3WPBr5uIIOV-ezG7eFCI0BgaoPTQ/s1522/MS+GG5215+1850-1900+EUR+2.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="724" data-original-width="1522" height="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgyynsaQoS1VK7j_LahniKRY56cZo-wb-uMpyFyB_D5vuYACGmN0wcVYuZWA_cvQ-_nKx35kaiCpQREymA6z6sSTuoNVhhIikaRfgwXIHbt7XD-a9aJ3WPBr5uIIOV-ezG7eFCI0BgaoPTQ/w640-h0/MS+GG5215+1850-1900+EUR+2.png" width="640" /></a></span></p><p></p>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-47439353630494159972021-01-06T16:05:00.003+00:002021-01-10T18:20:44.728+00:00Genetic Groups on MyHeritage: 2 Who I Am and Who I Am Not<p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"> </span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjqEP0bz-osO-WILIWER0AmRoOmn45xXMPaMHluUZJc52eSkRcHu4XAXK_AnhyphenhyphenI_qh0wq_19A2RET9sAV-WVPyfd25L_I6LH0ptiEISpxUzFkl3Z820MmOQwmcM6Bi_fRcy5VYUSsRSl2Uf/s2881/Your+ethnicity+results.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1092" data-original-width="2881" height="242" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjqEP0bz-osO-WILIWER0AmRoOmn45xXMPaMHluUZJc52eSkRcHu4XAXK_AnhyphenhyphenI_qh0wq_19A2RET9sAV-WVPyfd25L_I6LH0ptiEISpxUzFkl3Z820MmOQwmcM6Bi_fRcy5VYUSsRSl2Uf/w640-h242/Your+ethnicity+results.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p></p><div style="text-align: left;"><b><span style="color: #274e13; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Who I am not</span></b></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Well, that looks interesting. Under the heading 'Your ethnicity results', MyHeritage appears to be informing me that in addition to being 91% Ashkenazi Jewish, I am 2.9% Celtic Fringe, 2.8% Middle Eastern, 1.9% Mizrahi Jewish, and 1.1% West Asian. I must say that this comes as a bit of a surprise, as we have always considered ourselves to be 100% AJ, my mother's side coming from Poland and my father's from Belarus.</span></div><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">At first glance the 2.9% figure seems to be suggesting that one of my great-great-great-grandparents might have been from one of the Celtic areas of Britain. However, I have researched all 4 of my grandparents' lines back to this level - to 1800 or earlier - and as far as I can tell there's no sign of an Irishman anywhere. There's Leweks and Jankels, Movshas and Chaims, but absolutely no Paddys. There's no indication that anyone from Ireland, Scotland or Wales migrated to Poland or Belarus, married a local Jew, and forwarded their DNA down through the generations. And the same goes for the other "ethnicities" that I seem to have been allocated.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Something's not quite right.</span></p><div style="text-align: left;"><b><span style="color: #274e13; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Who they are</span></b></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">The list is wrongly labelled. Look at the subheading under 'Ethnicities' at the top. This is not the distribution of my own ethnicity. It's the distribution of ethnicities across all of the people who match me. It's not who I am, it's who they are.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Which could be of interest in its own right, of course. How come I share DNA with over 2000 people whose DNA has a strong element of Irish, Scottish and Welsh?</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><b><span style="color: #274e13; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">How it comes about</span></b></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Let's do a mind exercise.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">This is what my Ancestor Chart, back to my 16 great-great-grandparents, looks like, with me at the bottom. Yours will be similar.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgYIiq8J-AN2h5R3EPgRzeX4dJHI14oradHnAmkLg46fh_Hb8wLDgJBZUIQeJQwnWk3Uybf_ycrn2e0n2nsGQ7A-J8jXyMOeqweV5XDVCHAX2BJfksHZ-tbFDjQAVLH3aLLKE_ZhcLz_cEi/s3505/Michael+Shade+%25E2%2580%2593+Ancestor+Chart.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="822" data-original-width="3505" height="150" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgYIiq8J-AN2h5R3EPgRzeX4dJHI14oradHnAmkLg46fh_Hb8wLDgJBZUIQeJQwnWk3Uybf_ycrn2e0n2nsGQ7A-J8jXyMOeqweV5XDVCHAX2BJfksHZ-tbFDjQAVLH3aLLKE_ZhcLz_cEi/w640-h150/Michael+Shade+%25E2%2580%2593+Ancestor+Chart.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Now here's the Descendant Tree for one of these couples, Shmuilo Gronim Ilyutovich b 1825 and his wife Tauba Belagratsky (they are at the top here, and this chart also shows their parents). They're from Lida in NW Belarus. I've taken it down as far as my own generation.</span><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh6wrQvHLrRx-MclGInB1IpQ7FrPZ708Vz3yNSX6J7u0APpQ0nBm9kdLlH0Qc2pqs2bXnQ3ZMsIDqbop8Dd9wXXONzppNfEe6mFd9YrdSAAfLUKVzki6JNqvVvEGNm601l9vLZlwbm8Rxej/s3382/Descendant+Tree+Interactive+Shmuilo+Gronim+Iliutovich+b+1825.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="344" data-original-width="3382" height="66" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh6wrQvHLrRx-MclGInB1IpQ7FrPZ708Vz3yNSX6J7u0APpQ0nBm9kdLlH0Qc2pqs2bXnQ3ZMsIDqbop8Dd9wXXONzppNfEe6mFd9YrdSAAfLUKVzki6JNqvVvEGNm601l9vLZlwbm8Rxej/w640-h66/Descendant+Tree+Interactive+Shmuilo+Gronim+Iliutovich+b+1825.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">The chart is illegible because there are 83 of us in my generation. At least those are the ones I have been able to trace, there may be a few more yet to be discovered. There are also a number of people down the generations who I have been unable to follow through, and there will certainly be some who have slipped through the net entirely, especially in 19C Belarus where the records can be patchy to say the least. But I do have names and places for the intervening generations of all the 3Cs shown here. None of these cousins, nor any of their Ilyutovich ancestors, were in Ireland, by the way. However, one or two of them may well have married people with Irish ancestry, once they reached countries where there was Irish immigration as well as Jewish, such as the UK or the USA.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Now consider that this is the Tree for only one of my g-g-g'parent couples. There are seven more couples at this level, each of which may well build up through the generations as this one does. Even if they "only" come down to half the size of this family, say to an average of around 40 in each family in my generation, that is potentially another 300 or so 3Cs.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">I have developed some of these families to a similar level to this one, and the same arguments apply. However there are a few families I know little about. Those 40 potential 3Cs may well exist in these families, I just don't know anything about them. I have no idea who their ancestors married, or who they had children with. Did they move elsewhere in Poland or Belarus? Did they emigrate? Were they killed in the Holocaust? Might one of them have married an Irishman or woman?</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><b><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">What about his brothers and sisters?</span></b></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">But there's more. Take Shmuilo Gronim, for instance. He was one of seven children. I have information on just two of his brothers, and that dries up around 1900. I have no idea what happened to them or any of their families. Some of them may have had descendant charts as fully populated as that of Shmuilo. Their descendants would be 4Cs to me, and there could be another 400 potential cousins out there. I have no idea if they even exist, let alone whether any of them might carry any Irish DNA.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">And of course, we can repeat this exercise for the siblings of each of my 15 other g-g-g'parents. There could be another 400 unknown 4Cs in each of those families. That's 6000 more cousins. As if I didn't have enough already.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><b><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Celtic Connections</span></b></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">And there's a good chance that somewhere along the line, an ancestor or two of at least a few of these unknown thousands might have married a Celt. And when a descendant of theirs in the 2010s or 2020s takes a DNA test with MyHeritage, their Celtic DNA will show up in their results, along with whatever AJ DNA has come down to them.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">It's not me that has Celtic DNA, or Middle Eastern, or Mizrachi, or West Asian - it's my matches.</span></div><div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>What about my brother?</b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">My brother also has his DNA on MyH. Here's his Ethnicity results:</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg7EG91IvuqK3qa5IF1YpBWu_Q3EGOP73pgEki81B7mphlJgJonNJYHxEW0Ng2hwtoi4xpoS7mV4CzAMryZPHdSbUHQpO9WSLotq9pzRjgQG8Ge62zl6MU5d3xltJUhF1UlV5SeFZOMBI_U/s2774/BS+Ethnicity+estimate.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="732" data-original-width="2774" height="168" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg7EG91IvuqK3qa5IF1YpBWu_Q3EGOP73pgEki81B7mphlJgJonNJYHxEW0Ng2hwtoi4xpoS7mV4CzAMryZPHdSbUHQpO9WSLotq9pzRjgQG8Ge62zl6MU5d3xltJUhF1UlV5SeFZOMBI_U/w640-h168/BS+Ethnicity+estimate.png" width="640" /></a></div><br /><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Oh? Wot, no Irish?? My brother has a similar number of matches to me with Celtic ethnicity, over 2000 of them. However, he doesn't seem to share any of their DNA. He also has more West Asian, plus a trace of Central Asian that I don't have, but none of my Mizrachi.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Of course, although my brother and I received our DNA from the same two parents, we only actually coincide on 36% of it. The other 64% of my DNA consists of segments that he doesn't have, and vice-versa. This explains why our match lists can seem so wildly different, outside of known cousins. Even with known cousins we share significantly different amounts with many of them, and often share on different segments.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">So it shouldn't be surprising that we see a difference in the ethnicities of some of our respective matches. I have segments, some of which my brother doesn't have, that I share with matches who have Celtic, or Mizrachi, origins. Conversely, he has segments that I don't have, that he shares with matches who have Central Asian origins.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Again, it's not us, it's them.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-19383164714104879952020-12-29T12:08:00.001+00:002021-01-10T18:20:05.145+00:00Genetic Groups on MyHeritage - 1 First Thoughts<p><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjpCqtQq307yU7ubi_4hUqLfXCcKxK4AgpefOMwur591lkoEvzWFVinIeJD-fawR1E2p7zxzPBDrEQ4Mbb-L7Ix9XShgfyVO2Kfh4K1UYxLl57aUuHAim0XsMCAuZLgsTd6FXpuDnpNWH0R/s2044/MS+MyH+5+Genetic+Groups.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1112" data-original-width="2044" height="348" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjpCqtQq307yU7ubi_4hUqLfXCcKxK4AgpefOMwur591lkoEvzWFVinIeJD-fawR1E2p7zxzPBDrEQ4Mbb-L7Ix9XShgfyVO2Kfh4K1UYxLl57aUuHAim0XsMCAuZLgsTd6FXpuDnpNWH0R/w640-h348/MS+MyH+5+Genetic+Groups.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><p></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">MyHeritageDNA have introduced 'Genetic Groups', a new feature which I think could have a huge impact on our understanding of Ashkenazi Jewish (AJ) history in general, and of our own families' histories in particular. The same will undoubtedly apply to other groups across the world.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">MyH has <a href="https://blog.myheritage.com/2020/12/myheritage-launches-genetic-groups/" target="_blank">published an account</a> of how they have put these Groups together. Briefly, they base them on the segments of DNA, including very small ones, that you share with other people. These patterns of shared segments can be regarded as the signature of a Genetic Group. These shared segments must have come from a common ancestor, who may well date from long before any of the ancestors that most of us can trace by traditional genealogical methods. MyH then combines this shared segment information with the historical and geographical information contained in those people's Family Trees.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">This technique will not point directly to a specific common ancestor, but the fact that you share a Genetic Group with someone should help narrow down the field, and may suggest likely areas for further research. </span><span style="font-family: inherit;">It should eventually provide a more reliable, and potentially much more informative, indicator of ancestral origins than merely looking at shared matches, or vague "ethnicity estimates". </span></span></p><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #274e13; font-family: inherit;"><b>My Genetic Groups</b></span></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-size: medium;">The map above shows the geographic reach of the 5 AJ Genetic Groups that they have found for me, based on shared segments and the date and place information my matches have included in their Trees. Of course, not everyone has a full Tree, but when the numbers of people providing this information are high enough, MyH can begin to see patterns emerging. These patterns show that people who match me on particular segments tend to have ancestors that come from particular geographic areas.</span></span></div><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">You can see immediately from the map that these Genetic Group areas cover distinct territories. There are two Groups in smaller regions that have a definite western bias, running from the Netherlands across to Poland; one of these reaches a bit further north than the other. Another Group has an eastern bias, </span><span style="font-family: inherit;">reaching from Poland to central Russia. One of the Groups seems to cover much of the map, stretching most of the way across from Germany to Ukraine. The fifth Group is centred in the East, across Belarus and Lithuania. My matches in each of these Genetic Groups share a DNA signature with me that corresponds with these areas of origin. You can almost see the Litvaks and the Polacks peeking through.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">My mother's parents both came from central Poland, and my father's from various places in Belarus. Jews came into these areas from Western Europe during the Late Middle Ages, moving gradually eastward over a period of several centuries. Y</span><span style="font-family: inherit;">ou can sense the pattern of this migration even in the roughly-drawn areas on this map. I have documented Trees back to 1800 or so for the male lines of the families of each of my four grandparents, but </span>I do not as yet know where any of these families were living before they moved east, nor when they moved. Any source that can suggest answers to this is worth looking at.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: inherit;">My initial thoughts are that a common ancestor for me, with someone who is in one of the more western groups, will probably date from medieval times, and will be correspondingly hard to trace. Matches from the two groups that cover the eastern areas may well trace back to more recent times. My Polish matches could come from any of the five groups, as the map shows that all five of them include the </span>central <span style="font-family: inherit;">part of Poland.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">I'll be looking more closely at my five Genetic Groups, from the geographical, historical and genetic perspectives. What can they tell me about the stories of my ancestral families?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;">NB: Roberta Estes has posted an excellent guide to using this feature, on her DNAeXplained site: <a href="https://dna-explained.com/2020/12/24/introducing-genetic-groups-at-myheritage/?fbclid=IwAR2Xmpyzu2y6aNgzRLM_wl2-fReshHIoq0ABdVqFDwfxUH0X5-pkIB4uZ4Y" target="_blank">Introducing Genetic Groups at MyHeritage</a></span></p>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-24388299436529727132020-12-22T16:33:00.001+00:002020-12-23T00:05:03.687+00:00Moshe Chaim, Czar of Pinsk: #17 Shipped to Peoria<p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiYjmLisCuGDqXhzkIGNaHKwFeP5vHXzbNRTjM7AL5mWn5ZX6XYesVNau3ovjrzS6LUoq-ZgjJb44AREEiQPgLKy705leFNX3Hnyq1grecZgAysige4wRJWIAAHnFflnkGDBd_1feslJbkd/s1090/Shipped+to+Peoria.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="244" data-original-width="1090" height="144" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiYjmLisCuGDqXhzkIGNaHKwFeP5vHXzbNRTjM7AL5mWn5ZX6XYesVNau3ovjrzS6LUoq-ZgjJb44AREEiQPgLKy705leFNX3Hnyq1grecZgAysige4wRJWIAAHnFflnkGDBd_1feslJbkd/w640-h144/Shipped+to+Peoria.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Shipped to Peoria Illinois by Sloan and Shelton</span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Joseph?</span></b><br /></span><div><span style="font-family: inherit;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Throughout the story of Dora (see <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/04/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-10-theres.html">#10 There's more to Dora</a> .. and thereafter) I have been trying to establish the identity of her first husband. Every reference in her own documents, and in those of her children, refers to him as Joseph Kawin. That seems pretty clear, then. </span></span><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">However, I have not been able to find a single document that shows them together, nor any that refers to him in his own right, apart from a couple of entries in Directories for Peoria, in 1890 and 1896. By 1898 the entry is for Dora Kawin, "widow of Joseph". This suggests he died some time in 1896-98. However, searches on the usual online sites reveal no references to a Joseph Kawin dying in Peoria or anywhere else during that period. Nor is there a marriage record for Joseph and Dora, in Peoria or anywhere else. Nor any records of the births of their children - Abraham in 1888, Sam in 1889, both of whom appear as born in Peoria, or at least in Illinois, in later documents.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>Or Jacob?</b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">At the same time, there are abundant references to a Jacob Kawin, born in 1862, who came to the USA in 1871 with his mother and siblings, to join up with his father who had emigrated earlier. The whole family is in the 1880 Census in Peoria. Jacob got himself naturalised, and started up a business with his brother Nathan, and they are in and out of the Directories and the newspapers through the 1880s and into the 90s. Nathan married in 1885 in Chicago, but there does not appear to be a marriage record for Jacob.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">What we do find, however, is a death record for him - or at least, his headstone, in the Mount Sinai - ie, Jewish - section of the Springdale Cemetery in Peoria. He died in 1897. Just about the time we believe Joseph Kawin, husband of Dora, died.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiYfyHQoTr1FuUbfuX4rmZl6nUzXMbTwqbjHP4Nm9ZkZ3MA9UptO03g5HNqmW0AdsH7G_JtuUN0t8N2s_pVZ2LqVlZSCjzAPvpC6CD5uVyiFj8S3LEW03HeswYm_9h-tGzt88M6y3yHiA3s/s700/Jacob+Kawin+d+1897+headstone.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="647" data-original-width="700" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiYfyHQoTr1FuUbfuX4rmZl6nUzXMbTwqbjHP4Nm9ZkZ3MA9UptO03g5HNqmW0AdsH7G_JtuUN0t8N2s_pVZ2LqVlZSCjzAPvpC6CD5uVyiFj8S3LEW03HeswYm_9h-tGzt88M6y3yHiA3s/s320/Jacob+Kawin+d+1897+headstone.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><span style="font-family: inherit;"><div style="font-size: large; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: large;"><br /></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;">Was this a coincidence? That the only two J Kawins in Illinois both died in the same year?</span></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">I went back to the Peoria Directories, and looked a little closer. I found that from around 1886, Jacob seems to have left the family home, and he no longer appeared as a partner in the business. 'Kawin Bros' had become 'Kawin & Co', run by Nathan, and Jacob was nowhere to be seen.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>Or William, John or George?</b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Then a suspicious series of one-off Kawins started appearing in the Directories. Over the course of a few years we find William, John, George, and Joseph, all making fleeting appearances, with a variety of occupations and addresses - but no sign of Jacob.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">This led me to conclude that maybe some of these mysterious Kawins might in fact be Jacob in disguise. Could they all, including Joseph, be the same person?</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Was Dora's husband really Jacob, even though her records always referred to him as Joseph? I convinced myself that this was the most likely explanation, and added him to my Tree as Jacob, as he was known in his family. And I wrote up Dora's story accordingly.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>Irene</b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Then I found this:</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiZJY87RMtVG4OWSSTbVgqDw5iJRqtY8_hIC33u2oz3AQZ1PHEQnc_5YkaUKlKxgjw0UFnXB-LN-e8aa22hlQz_GGIkx5mPKI_m5gIRwyl335DLXwUGbSzK_UBYuST2wShB1sTxkuigsAvE/s1024/Gertrude+1869-1944+Helen+1893-1968+%2526+Irene+Kawin+1887-1976+headstone.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="768" data-original-width="1024" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiZJY87RMtVG4OWSSTbVgqDw5iJRqtY8_hIC33u2oz3AQZ1PHEQnc_5YkaUKlKxgjw0UFnXB-LN-e8aa22hlQz_GGIkx5mPKI_m5gIRwyl335DLXwUGbSzK_UBYuST2wShB1sTxkuigsAvE/w640-h480/Gertrude+1869-1944+Helen+1893-1968+%2526+Irene+Kawin+1887-1976+headstone.jpg" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /><span style="font-family: inherit;">It's the headstone for Irene Kawin, Nathan's daughter, who died in Chicago in 1976. There are a couple of other names on it, female Kawins: Gertrude and Helen. I didn't recognise them - Nathan's other daughter was called Ethel - and I thought they might be connected to a Chicago Kawin family that I had noticed, but which didn't seem to be related to the Peoria Kawins. In any case, my focus is on Dora and on finding out who her husband is, rather than on any wider Kawin family.</span></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Nothing doing here. I switched my attention elsewhere for a while.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>Gertrude</b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">A few months later Gertrude cropped up again, and this time she drove a horse and cart through my interpretation of Dora's story:</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj8xZWQ52zSR5VG6Ck4_Y2UVmyCT0HL1Uey73yyv9iyFJfQXAg-vulczHWZhotdlOV9BVmbTFOm0LxFAM-yw3WDDzz6Q429iN6aZ1I1behx4zAZKWosmdGHm6DDnngBPdxvC-p-JCYVyyCO/s566/Jacob+Karvin+m+Gertrude+Goldstein+1888.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="288" data-original-width="566" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj8xZWQ52zSR5VG6Ck4_Y2UVmyCT0HL1Uey73yyv9iyFJfQXAg-vulczHWZhotdlOV9BVmbTFOm0LxFAM-yw3WDDzz6Q429iN6aZ1I1behx4zAZKWosmdGHm6DDnngBPdxvC-p-JCYVyyCO/s320/Jacob+Karvin+m+Gertrude+Goldstein+1888.png" width="320" /></span></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;">The marriage of Jacob Kawin and Gertrude Goldstein in Chicago. This immediately caught my attention, because Jacob's brother Nathan had married a Goldstein - Lotte - a few years earlier. The Kawin brothers had married Goldstein sisters. Don't ask me why I hadn't noticed this before, but I hadn't.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Later censuses show Gertrude with a daughter Helen, born in 1894. So this Helen must be the third person on the headstone above. And then I found directories and newspaper articles showing Jacob and Gertrude running a Kawin & Co business in La Salle, halfway between Peoria and Chicago, in the early 1890s. So the reason Jacob stops showing up in the Peoria Directories, is, he wasn't living there any more.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Where does this leave Dora?</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-size: medium;"><b>Joseph the Elusive</b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Well, she clearly wasn't married to Jacob. She must have been married to Joseph, as the documents insist. So, why did I persist in ignoring the evidence? Why had I been unwilling to accept that Jacob was Jacob, and Joseph was Joseph? And that Dora was only married to one of them?</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>In my defence, please remember that I had not been able to find a single record of a type that might be expected to show them together, such as a Census. Indeed, the only Census they would both have been present for was the 1890 one, and that is not available to us - it </span><span>was destroyed in a fire. </span><span>Directories in some places show the name of the spouse, bracketed alongside the head of household; not so in Peoria. I could find no record of </span><span>their marriage, or of the birth of their children. To obscure matters further, Joseph appears to have masqueraded as George for a couple of years, in the Directories at least. And then, I could find no record of Joseph's death, just later references to Dora as "widow of Joseph".</span></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">And of course the mysterious Jacob and the elusive Joseph both seem to have died in the same year: 1897. However, I have no death record for either of them, only the headstone for Jacob in Peoria, with minimal information.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-size: medium;"><b>Going Local: Peoria</b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Time for a change of plan. How about local information sources? Was there anything available at town or state level, that hadn't been opened up to the websites that I had been using?</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Well, yes.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">I found that the Peoria County Office has an online database of births, marriages and deaths, that covers the period I am looking for. I didn't find a marriage for Joseph and Dora, but they may have married in Chicago. Maybe it was not possible to have a Jewish wedding in Peoria; I have not yet checked establishment dates for Peoria synagogues, but I have seen elsewhere that couples sometimes had to travel to other towns to get a kosher marriage.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-size: medium;"><b>Sam and Moritz</b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">But I did find a couple of birth records for them, that do name them both. This is the one for Sam:</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhsfovblF_9V06r6uD0q4mjmBYKOpsihXGTA5OS5qWPm8vI0X3DkfK2T6NjMBMlgKtRV-UU7ThkNQCWhX5gRNEwl8O_1OqI3_swsCBPUnmvmhEECJQ_Ym0Qq4_nZP78fmWBSIyp82Oq9AwY/s1008/Sam+Kawin+birth+record+left.png" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="206" data-original-width="1008" height="130" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhsfovblF_9V06r6uD0q4mjmBYKOpsihXGTA5OS5qWPm8vI0X3DkfK2T6NjMBMlgKtRV-UU7ThkNQCWhX5gRNEwl8O_1OqI3_swsCBPUnmvmhEECJQ_Ym0Qq4_nZP78fmWBSIyp82Oq9AwY/w640-h130/Sam+Kawin+birth+record+left.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg8C-gRemvQ6h9UFd8tmit_XuL4AHhaXUlzI-iXVkUG1dEc31RPjB_91dWDmRfSGYUBCHgonadZrvyNlM2yRWIhh1h1B_gdzcS2qc1JsHUixnMLVLANFGKZIiJWuk4kyqwqJBmdzunvDYaf/s936/Sam+Kawen+birth+record+right.png" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="220" data-original-width="936" height="150" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg8C-gRemvQ6h9UFd8tmit_XuL4AHhaXUlzI-iXVkUG1dEc31RPjB_91dWDmRfSGYUBCHgonadZrvyNlM2yRWIhh1h1B_gdzcS2qc1JsHUixnMLVLANFGKZIiJWuk4kyqwqJBmdzunvDYaf/w640-h150/Sam+Kawen+birth+record+right.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Several points of interest:</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">- Dora and Joseph on the same document!</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">- Sam is shown as Dora's 3rd child; Abraham was born a year or so earlier, although there doesn't seem to be a record for him. This suggests that there must also have been another, earlier, child, that didn't survive.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">- the address, 303 Gallatin Street, is confirmed by Directory entries for 1890 and 1891.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">- Dora's maiden name, Zaturensky, is shown as 'Darengsky'. Love it!</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">There is another birth record, for Moritz, b 1894, shown as Dora's 4th child. He does not appear in the 1900 Census, where she says she had had 4 children, of whom 2 were living; these must be the two living with her, Abraham and Sam. The two who did not survive would thus be this Moritz, and the putative earlier child mentioned above.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-size: medium;"><b>Mr Kawin</b></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">And then I had a look in the deaths database.</span></div></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi1n-3HQMDsDYw6L45LRsEvGrtMFGn3pxXmc2c7yR9R9-KZ4Vsq-A3u5PfF0AXsIHgbWqg0aLGQDeJ6TYmJ9HUTxwEb_-g6ERQHNfmGtLx9PB62n7qgJbtzoNAi4p_gIJQpR9witrH8Va93/s1268/Mr+Kawin+death+record+left.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="220" data-original-width="1268" height="112" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi1n-3HQMDsDYw6L45LRsEvGrtMFGn3pxXmc2c7yR9R9-KZ4Vsq-A3u5PfF0AXsIHgbWqg0aLGQDeJ6TYmJ9HUTxwEb_-g6ERQHNfmGtLx9PB62n7qgJbtzoNAi4p_gIJQpR9witrH8Va93/w640-h112/Mr+Kawin+death+record+left.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhmmacqj109REurHkOq_dY3VsvoaLWpWltmdMZ89ZoGo7Y2jywQTnnFEdceusImMsxSF5Sjw_mBJMFyjG7vRTPKnnRdme4ZOtT5DcKYT1lylZ1v3X6Ty9snvqU3ITYzYBxAQ62aiw9gC49n/s1224/Mr+Kawin+death+record+right.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="220" data-original-width="1224" height="116" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhmmacqj109REurHkOq_dY3VsvoaLWpWltmdMZ89ZoGo7Y2jywQTnnFEdceusImMsxSF5Sjw_mBJMFyjG7vRTPKnnRdme4ZOtT5DcKYT1lylZ1v3X6Ty9snvqU3ITYzYBxAQ62aiw9gC49n/w640-h116/Mr+Kawin+death+record+right.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /><span>- no given name, not even an initial!</span></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>- 36 years old, so born 1861; </span><span>died 24 Dec 1897</span></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">- married</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">- 13 years in Illinois, so immigrated 1884 or earlier</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">- ill with tuberculosis for 5 years</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">- died at 221 Howett Street, in Peoria</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">- buried in the Jewish Cemetery, in Peoria</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>It has to be Joseph, all the dates fit with what we have seen for him in other documents. In particular, it shows him in Illinois only since 1884, whereas we have a passenger manifest for Jacob's immigration in 1871.</span></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span><br /></span></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><span>Further, I have just come across Joseph's entry in the 1897 Peoria Directory - as Joseph Kavan - that shows him at this address, 221 Howett Street. So he died at home, not in a hospital. Earlier Directories have him as a peddler, but the 1896 and 1897 lists show no occupation for him. It looks like his illness must have prevented him from earning a living.</span></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">It's puzzling that no given name is shown, as Dora was almost certainly in Peoria at the time of his death, and you would have thought that she would have been the informant.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">If only we could find a similar record for Jacob.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>Jacob in the Records</b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">He's not in the Peoria death records, which were entered by hand in a register book, in chronological order, as they were reported. You have to assume that if a death is not in this book, it didn't happen in Peoria.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">So where did he die? I tried Chicago. He doesn't appear in any Chicago - or other Illinois - records available online, so I tried the Illinois State Archives. They wouldn't let me in. Literally: 'the server where this page is located isn't responding'. I checked with people in the USA, and they can get in OK. Apparently some US archives are blocking access from Europe; it's something to do with the GDPR data protection scheme. Some kind friends did a look-up for me - but Jacob isn't there.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><br /></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-size: medium;"><b>Jacob in the Trees</b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Time for an indirect approach. What had other researchers found? I had another look at references to Jacob in online Trees, and came across something I had noticed before - that a couple of them had him dying in San Antonio, Texas. Moreover, they had a specific date, 10 Feb 1897. This is the date shown on his headstone, and sometimes headstones can be wrong; however the Trees didn't show any other source to corroborate either the date or the place. I had not given much credence to San Antonio, presuming it probably referred to someone else. Why should he go to Texas? It's a thousand miles away. Maybe they were trying to expand their business down there? However, there don't seem to be any Kawins in the records there.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>Going Local: San Antonio</b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Nevertheless, I checked San Antonio, expecting either I'd be blocked, as in Chicago, or draw a blank, as everywhere else. And guess what - they too, like Peoria, have a database, with records available which do not appear on the usual sites.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">And guess what again?</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiwThyphenhyphenT3j8L2Uvu_TvwQJh9ym6LHy9TqI0eYjuixEudkkkw5MSXbkT4e2lQZy1cFm4fyqiFoQblVLlBL5QYoIPIFeJz4o-QItEbNPDbjEcUq0BRYTP5TRv_91GluTrYUAsE5zMT1pLzoI6K/s930/J+Kawin+d+record+S+Ant+left+1.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="194" data-original-width="930" height="134" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiwThyphenhyphenT3j8L2Uvu_TvwQJh9ym6LHy9TqI0eYjuixEudkkkw5MSXbkT4e2lQZy1cFm4fyqiFoQblVLlBL5QYoIPIFeJz4o-QItEbNPDbjEcUq0BRYTP5TRv_91GluTrYUAsE5zMT1pLzoI6K/w640-h134/J+Kawin+d+record+S+Ant+left+1.png" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj8I8LjZ7iwOpZl6v8d7vLzKxyPIiU4Me69cugVZoSelJ0IaHBj_FS0R1DBlwdA1wbZR0_RsCiIj507YsXDV-c5TcOsuFZ2WNArqt6NgaMIzR83BRFzu56oBNFuZoS_Vl0tSPpbeyBbnRZH/s1912/J+Kawin+d+record+S+Ant+left+2.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="174" data-original-width="1912" height="58" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj8I8LjZ7iwOpZl6v8d7vLzKxyPIiU4Me69cugVZoSelJ0IaHBj_FS0R1DBlwdA1wbZR0_RsCiIj507YsXDV-c5TcOsuFZ2WNArqt6NgaMIzR83BRFzu56oBNFuZoS_Vl0tSPpbeyBbnRZH/w640-h58/J+Kawin+d+record+S+Ant+left+2.png" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">In the entries for February 1897, there he is: J Kawin, 34 years old, married, native of Illinois. As far as they go, these biographical details more or less fit our man. It also tells us he'd been ill for a year, and had been in San Antonio for 9 months, which implies in turn that, if this is him, he'd have left Peoria around May 1896.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">But, as we've seen, "our" Jacob's headstone is in a cemetery in Peoria, over 1000 miles away. Can this really be the same person?</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-size: medium;">What does the right-hand page tell us?</span></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjOYlClW7SGW_Qwnv-OuxvMpqg9qrefnYLxqoQFVmKsVvrMurTu1GpUXyUvVf0d0qGsAzitbqEIpWlZjLpsHWgJlY7giDByUvQvJUzQWarNZQWpCw1V4O_ZCuuAJsRfekK1nNRZPVcGWDZ6/s2028/J+Kawin+d+record+S+Ant+right+1.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="174" data-original-width="2028" height="54" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjOYlClW7SGW_Qwnv-OuxvMpqg9qrefnYLxqoQFVmKsVvrMurTu1GpUXyUvVf0d0qGsAzitbqEIpWlZjLpsHWgJlY7giDByUvQvJUzQWarNZQWpCw1V4O_ZCuuAJsRfekK1nNRZPVcGWDZ6/w640-h54/J+Kawin+d+record+S+Ant+right+1.png" width="640" /></a></div><br /><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">He died of heart failure due to pneumonia, on the 10th of February, which is the date that appears on his headstone and in the Trees I had seen. I have since seen that San Antonio was promoting itself as a spa resort around that time, with a couple of "Hot Sulphur Natatoriums". If Jacob had fallen ill a year or so earlier, around February, and then gone down to San Antonio in May - maybe he'd gone to take the waters?</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj8rRjVbPEabmcIotlBq-49QyTNE3xku-RmeAgyfAqwDBffTW5PyuWcM7XwsFtEaSO1MyO40VnwLJzC7y_KUJ78eFF5Om0SFasCtbxpr4R8otuGhFa6rkkrJbma6w5WvhGUJ9JAV9RvTRfA/s1818/J+Kawin+d+record+S+Ant+right+2.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="214" data-original-width="1818" height="76" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj8rRjVbPEabmcIotlBq-49QyTNE3xku-RmeAgyfAqwDBffTW5PyuWcM7XwsFtEaSO1MyO40VnwLJzC7y_KUJ78eFF5Om0SFasCtbxpr4R8otuGhFa6rkkrJbma6w5WvhGUJ9JAV9RvTRfA/w640-h76/J+Kawin+d+record+S+Ant+right+2.png" width="640" /></a></div><br /><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">He died at 503 Pinto Street, which seems to be a residential address, and his body was ...... Shipped to Peoria.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>Jacob and Joseph</b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">So here we have it. Issue resolved. Jacob and Joseph are two different people. Jacob died on 10 Feb 1897 in San Antionio, Texas, and Joseph died in Peoria 10 months later, on 24 December. Jacob's body was taken 1000 miles across America to be buried in the Jewish section of Springdale Cemetery in his home town Peoria; Joseph was buried in the "Jewish Cemetery" there, which may well be a reference to the same burial ground.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Joseph was the husband of Dora, my great-grandmother's sister. Jacob was not, and is probably not related to me at all.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="color: #38761d; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>Next steps</b></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">I now have to go back through all the material I have gathered on these families, everything I have written, the Trees I have constructed, the DNA matches I have attempted to analyse, review it all and re-write where necessary.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">And attentive readers will recollect that there are still a number of documents I have not yet been able to find. I do not have passenger manifests for either Joseph or Dora; I do have one for Jacob, by the way, but I don't need that now, do I? I do not have a marriage record for them, nor birth records for their son Abraham or for the mysterious first child, nor a death record for the latter. Of course, some or all of these things may not have happened in Peoria, or in Illinois, or in the USA, even.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Two things I don't have for events that did happen in Peoria, are a death record for their 4th child Moritz, and the location of Joseph's burial. The latter could be particularly helpful, because if his grave has a headstone, it may carry his father's name, which in turn may help me work out whether he is related to Jacob's family.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">I am currently consulting with some of the finest genealogical brains in Illinois. Hopefully they will be able to advise me where to go next. Watch this space.</span></div><div style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div></div></div>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-59095626740056823452020-07-31T18:29:00.004+01:002021-03-04T13:41:36.470+00:00Moshe Chaim, Czar of Pinsk: #16 The Person Who Will Always Know<span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhnd4sIaQlYzm3cJkX01rLoibV3JppPBiNYn3ZgsiJD380XLTQhB1mUYoFQJZzKySdIi0_WacQhyNcAFLI7Q0kinIeabPYryF6qkSyq938IY6LJxaOwQ_dERzBdq1vLpH7rE2fYCNWSyhJL/s1990/Person+Who+Will+Always+Know.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="218" data-original-width="1990" height="69" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhnd4sIaQlYzm3cJkX01rLoibV3JppPBiNYn3ZgsiJD380XLTQhB1mUYoFQJZzKySdIi0_WacQhyNcAFLI7Q0kinIeabPYryF6qkSyq938IY6LJxaOwQ_dERzBdq1vLpH7rE2fYCNWSyhJL/w625-h69/Person+Who+Will+Always+Know.png" width="625" /></span></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><b><font color="#38761d" face="inherit" size="4">Who is this Joseph?</font></b></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Whilst researching the members of my <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-2-cluster-club.html" target="_blank">Terensky DNA Cluster</a>, I kept coming across documents for a Joseph Teranski (and versions thereof). The Cluster does not include any of his descendants, and I haven't managed to identify any from amongst my AncestryDNA matches. The documents showed him to be following a similar trajectory to my Zaturenskys - Russia to Peoria to Los Angeles - although I couldn't find anything to pin him down as a member of this family. After they moved to LA in the mid-1920s Joseph and his sons Sam and Myer anglicised their surname to 'Trent'.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">This alerted me to another clue. In the Tree of Cousin Jennifer, a member of the DNA Cluster and a descendant of Shmuel Zaturensky aka Simon Morris, she shows <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-8-brothers.html" target="_blank">one branch of the family adopting the surname 'Terensky', and another taking on 'Trent'</a>. She didn't show any descendants of these branches, but at least this shows that her family were aware of the existence of these other branches.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><b><font color="#38761d" face="inherit" size="4">One too many Josephs</font></b></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Things began to get rather confused when I started looking more closely at a Joseph Terensky who definitely was one of mine - several of his descendants were in my DNA Cluster. This Joseph also followed the family trail from Pinsk via Peoria to Los Angeles. He's a son of Meir Zaturensky, who we came across earlier in this saga as the father of Rochel Leah Teransky. I'll be following this Joseph, and his brother and sister, in later posts.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"> </span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">The two Josephs appeared to have different birth dates, and their wives and children appeared to have different names; on the other hand, they were both shoemakers. They made the move from Illinois to California at different times, but there were periods when they were both living in the same town. On several occasions I came across documents and was not sure who I should allocate them to. Were they the same person, leading a very complicated life? <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/04/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-10-theres.html" target="_blank">We've already seen at least one like that</a> in this family. Or were they two related people with (more or less) the same name? If they were related, how closely? Was this new Joseph Teranski indeed one of my clan?</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><b><font color="#38761d" face="inherit" size="4">All you need is a document</font></b></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">I have probably amassed more documents on this Joseph than on any of the other members of this tribe, but frustratingly I have been unable to find any mention of a specific place of birth. I want him to be born in Pinsk, of course - but all I see on Census returns is 'Russia', 'Russ Polish', 'Latvia', and 'Lithuania'. On the birth certificate of his son Samuel, in 1898, Joseph is shown as 'Polish' and born in 'Poland'. This is prescient, as Pinsk did indeed become part of Poland - but only 20 years later, after the First World War and the Polish struggle for independence from the nascent Soviet Union. And Latvia and Lithuania are hundreds of miles away, off the map. No mention of Pinsk.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Nor could I find any mention of Joseph's father's name. Joseph died in 1965, but my online searches have not turned up a death certificate, or a headstone, either of which might, if you were lucky, show a father's name. Ideally I would like him to be a son of my great-great-grandfather Movsha, or failing that, of his brother Meir. Or there could be an as yet unknown third brother.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">However, even without confirmation of his place of birth, or his father's name, I was convinced that there was enough evidence in the surnames and the life-journeys, and in Jennifer's Tree, to suggest that Joseph was fairly closely related to my Zaturenskys.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">All I needed was a document.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">And then I found one.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhgJ3OTlE6y2KeidTyE9FrqVY466K9f5wwxamnwfz6hItrfr_1gUjThIP783Yt3jmu5OAUvoHthd8414b39-wCmA6dDKIYEGGCUq76bPmDxvVFEcY-MlddCKPf5_iNE0ywjCgFWxchSEM2Q/s1825/Albert+Allen+Morris+US+Draft+1940+LA+nok+csn+Sam+Trent+card.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1203" data-original-width="1825" height="413" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhgJ3OTlE6y2KeidTyE9FrqVY466K9f5wwxamnwfz6hItrfr_1gUjThIP783Yt3jmu5OAUvoHthd8414b39-wCmA6dDKIYEGGCUq76bPmDxvVFEcY-MlddCKPf5_iNE0ywjCgFWxchSEM2Q/w625-h413/Albert+Allen+Morris+US+Draft+1940+LA+nok+csn+Sam+Trent+card.jpg" width="625" /></span></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">I was following up Abe 'Albert Allen' Morris, born in 1912 in Peoria, the youngest son of <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-5-herman.html" target="_blank">our old friend Shmuel Zaturensky aka Simon Morris</a>. Abe is probably the father of my mystery match, Private Morris. He was drafted into the US Army in 1940, and this is his draft card.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">The 'person who will always know your address' is Sam Trent. And Sam Trent is Albert Allen Morris's cousin.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><b><font color="#38761d" face="inherit" size="4">Cousin? Cousin??</font></b></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Cousin? That implies that one of Albert's parents must be a sibling to one of Sam's.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Albert's parents are Simon Morris aka Shmuel Zaturensky, and Rochel Leah Teransky. <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-6-it-takes.html" target="_blank">Shmuel and Rochel Leah are First Cousins</a>, children of the Zaturensky brothers Movsha and Meir respectively. Sam's father is the new Joseph Teranski. So Joseph should be a brother of either Shmuel, or Rochel Leah. And his father should be either Movsha, or Meir.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Just a minute. Meir already has a son Joseph - the other Joseph, the one we keep getting mixed up with this one.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">So this new Joseph must be a son of Movsha, my gg-g'f. And Joseph's grandchildren, if I can find them, will be my Third Cousins.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">When we were looking at Dora, we surmised that <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/04/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-9-doras-story.html" target="_blank">Movsha was probably married twice</a>, and that his first wife may have been called *Bajla, and his second wife, *Chana. *Bajla would be the mother of my g-g'm Shprintsa, b 1858, and of Shmuel (Simon Morris) b 1861, and appears to have died by 1865. *Chana would be the mother of Bejla b 1866 and Dora b 1870. Joseph appears to have been born somewhere between 1866 and 1872, according to which document you are looking at, so he would probably be a child of *Chana.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><b><font color="#38761d" face="inherit" size="4">As it now stands</font></b></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">So Movsha's family now looks like this:</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhYUjBunQ9i0UrkgOVolELIiSRxV1YIyNOvPNqS-yEPcGC6gV-rks5ntb9It9LBVXdJflp1ZkomKJjAqp9_ScR-jtZ6kMM7ARG6T8ro3SqMWR694dmHynsJ04Itnc5pekQKTJIFQZmCYTgQ/s1918/Movshas+Tree+v2.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="384" data-original-width="1918" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhYUjBunQ9i0UrkgOVolELIiSRxV1YIyNOvPNqS-yEPcGC6gV-rks5ntb9It9LBVXdJflp1ZkomKJjAqp9_ScR-jtZ6kMM7ARG6T8ro3SqMWR694dmHynsJ04Itnc5pekQKTJIFQZmCYTgQ/s640/Movshas+Tree+v2.png" width="640" /></span></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">We have no documentary evidence for either of Movsha's two wives, only that different family Trees suggested different names for their respective gg-g'mothers. The DNA evidence suggests that I am closer to Shmuel's descendants than to the other lines, so I am happy to suggest that he and my g-g'm Shprintsa are children of a first wife, whilst the other three are from a second wife.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/07/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-15-beila.html" target="_blank">We do not have documentary evidence for *Chana's daughter *Beila</a>, but somebody with her name would fit very nicely. DNA evidence suggests that I have a closer connection to Dora's descendants than to *Beila's, so I am surmising that <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/05/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-14-dora-and.html" target="_blank">there may be a Kawin link further back</a>, possibly via *Chana, that was reinforced when Dora married Joseph Kawin.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">In Joseph Teranski's case, there is fairly good circumstantial evidence in the surname and the family journey from Russia to Peoria to Los Angeles, but crucially there is one document that clinches the relationship. It tells us that Sam Trent is Albert Morris's cousin, and that he is The Person Who Will Always Know.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-78386161729064616872020-07-03T16:26:00.003+01:002021-03-04T13:34:49.388+00:00Moshe Chaim, Czar of Pinsk: #15 The Beila Hypothesis<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><p style="color: #2d6516; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-kerning: none;"><b>The mystery of the missing sister</b></span><b> </b></span></p><p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">The last post (<a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/05/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-14-dora-and.html" target="_blank">#14 Dora and Ockham's Razor</a>) left us wondering whether we should be looking for a sister for Dora Zaturensky. We need to find a mother for Benjamin Gitelman, and she needs to be sufficiently closely related to Dora such that:</span></p><p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">a) Benjamin can say on his <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/05/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-11-doras-four.html" target="_blank">passenger manifest in 1922</a> that he was going to his 'half-brother", Dora's son Sam Kawin</span></p><p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">and</span></p><p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">b) my <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/05/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-14-dora-and.html" target="_blank">tentative analysis of my DNA matches</a> with Cousins David (descended from Benjamin) and Paul (descended from Dora) still makes sense</span></p><p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">So a sister would fit the bill on both counts. It wouldn't fully account for the 'half-brother' designation on Benjamin's manifest, as if their mothers are sisters, Sam and Benjamin would be first cousins. But I think I've exhausted the possibility of a half-sibling relationship - I just can't see it. So I'm going for sisters, and consequently, cousins.</span></p><p style="color: #2d6516; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-kerning: none; font-size: medium;"><b><br /></b></span></p><p style="color: #2d6516; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-kerning: none; font-size: medium;"><b>Beylya Terensky?</b></span></p>
<p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-kerning: none;">Then I recalled this snippet from Cousin Jennifer's Tree on Ancestry, which I </span><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; color: #0000e9; font-kerning: none; text-decoration: underline;">referred to in an earlier post</span><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-kerning: none;">, but we weren't looking at Gitelmans at that point.</span></span></p>
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<p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-kerning: none; font-size: medium;">In this Tree, Benjamin's father is a Gitelman, but his mother is shown as Beylya Terensky. Not Dora. At the moment we have no idea who this Beylya Terensky is. There is no mention of a Lipschitz; nor, by the way, does the name seem to appear anywhere else in relation to this family.</span></p>
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<p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-kerning: none; font-size: medium;">This looks to me very much like one of those half-recalled family stories, passed on to later generations by someone who is pretty certain of some details but a bit woolly on the rest. Which is not surprising, because the whole story is getting *very* complicated, and it's several generations back, pretty much lost in the mists of time. And Beylya's birth date of 1888 must be a typo - Benjamin was born in 1885 or 86, so if she's his mother she must have been born some time in the 1860s.</span></p>
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<p style="color: #2d6516; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-kerning: none; font-size: medium;"><b>Beylya Turansky?</b></span></p>
<p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-kerning: none; font-size: medium;">And then I remembered seeing that Jennifer has another version of this Tree, which uses the name Turansky.</span></p><p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-kerning: none; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">This version introduces a whole crowd of new people that don't seem to appear anywhere else in either family knowledge or records. The father of the family is Morris (not shown here) - though Jennifer may have taken that name from the discussion she and I had a few weeks ago - and the name of his wife is unknown. They have 9 children, all shown with Yiddish names, all born in Pinsk.</span></p>
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<p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-kerning: none; font-size: medium;">These are the first 3 children:</span></p>
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<p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-kerning: none; font-size: medium;">Is this our Dora? And is this the Beylya that appears as the mother of Benjamin in Jennifer's other Tree? It's certainly looking promising.</span></p>
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<p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-kerning: none; font-size: medium;">No source is given for this family group. The fact that they all have Yiddish names suggests that this family did not emigrate; if they had, Jennifer would probably have known some at least of them by Americanised names. It looks to me very much as though the list has been provided by a Belarussian researcher, transcribed from one of the 'Revision Lists' compiled periodically throughout the 19C by the Russian authorities to keep track of citizens for tax and conscription purposes.</span></p>
<p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; min-height: 19px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-kerning: none; font-size: medium;"></span></p><p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;">This immediately poses a problem, as we know that our family were using 'Zaturensky' in Russia, at least until they arrived in the USA. A</span>ll the members of the family whose emigration I have been able to trace use some form of the name Zaturensky on their passenger documents. So how come they're using Turansky here? If it is the same family, of course ...</span></p><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div>
<p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-kerning: none; font-size: medium;">Notice that Beylya here is born in 1866; Dora's birth date, as we have seen, varies between 1869 and 1872, as suggested here. If this list is indeed from a Russian Revision List, the dates will probably be more reliable than those Dora gave after she got to America - the Russian authorities used to check names and dates against other records, to try to catch conscription-dodgers in particular. So if we lean towards 1872 for Dora, we have to conclude that Beylya looks the more likely of the two to be the mother of a child born in 1886, when Dora would only have been 14 years old.</span></p>
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<p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-kerning: none; font-size: medium;">Provided, of course, that this is indeed our family. Notice that there is no indication of the existence of a family for Morris by a previous wife, which is where I would expect my great-grandmother Shprintsa and her brother Shmuel (Simon Morris) to appear. However, Shprintsa had married by around 1880, and Shmuel left for the USA around that time as well. If the list was put together after 1880 there would be no reason for them to appear on it - they were no longer part of this household.</span></p>
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<p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-kerning: none; font-size: medium;">But how come Jennifer has Benjamin down as the son of Beylya, whereas when he emigrates to the USA in 1922, he says he's going to his half-brother Sam Kawin, who we know to be the son of Dora and Joseph Kawin? Surely this implies that Benjamin is also a son of Dora, but by a different father? How can he be the son of a different mother as well? What sort of a half-brother is that?</span></p>
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<p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-kerning: none; font-size: medium;">Tick-tock, tick-tock. Time for that thinking-cap again.</span></p>
<p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; min-height: 19px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-kerning: none; font-size: medium;"></span></p></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><b><font color="#0b8043" face="inherit" size="4">A Tale of Three Beilas?</font></b></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Let's take a different angle on this. Let's ask, how might this putative Beylya fit in to what we know - or think we know - about this family?</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Cousin Jennifer, who is a descendant of Simon Morris (Shmuel Zaturensky), shows his mother as 'Bailie', and Dora's mother as Chana. Cousin Paul, a desendant of Dora, also shows her mother as Chana. I don't know if Jennifer and Paul are in touch, but the differences in their Trees suggest they were developed independently of each other. There doesn't seem to be any documentary evidence for either name, so they may well both be reflecting the versions of the family story handed down within their own families. So the fact they both have Dora's mother as Chana could be significant, as could the fact that Jennifer shows Simon with a different mother; Paul doesn't show Simon at all.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">This all seems to back up my <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/04/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-9-doras-story.html" target="_blank">earlier assumption</a> that Movsha Zaturensky married twice. And at this point I go out on a limb.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">If Movsha's first wife was Beila, as Jennifer suggests, and if Benjamin's mother was also a Beila, as Jennifer also suggests in a different version of the Tree, and given that Benjamin later named his own first child Beila, we can perhaps begin to construct a timeline of Beilas.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><b><font color="#0b8043" face="inherit" size="4">A Beila Timeline</font></b></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">We have previously had cause to refer to the Ashkenazi Jewish tradition of naming a child after a recently deceased close relative. Maybe that's what's happening here. Let's look at what we know, and see what we can deduce, in the light of this tradition.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">1) Movsha and his second wife Chana have their first child Beila 2 in 1866, so his first wife Beila 1 must have died before then; Movsha would then be naming his new child after his deceased frst wife.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">2) Benjamin's own first daughter Beila 3 was born in 1913, so it is likely that his mother - who was Beila 2, Movsha's first daughter with Chana - had died by then.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">So our timeline now reads:</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">i) Beila1, Movsha's first wife: probably died c1865</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">ii) Beila 2, daughter of Movsha's second wife Chana: born c 1866, named after her father's deceased first wife Beila 1; mother of Benjamin; probably died before 1913</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">iii) Benjamin, son of Beila 2 and an unidentified Gitelman: born 1886</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">iv) Beila 3, daughter of Benjamin: born 1913, named after her deceased grandmother Beila 2</span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">Here's how that might look in a Tree:</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEisYjENPS19Lki_qMeyXIVNW027QzogYfq_KJMCZMyWRHSZJwdy4W8KLRdpzMcMzJKmYICuTC9xZH9Ogiu5U3i8fECXpPZwMIMszbphMJRnuAlBm6k99m7kgizB9NwpkGmcLicRfJq_vIqn/s1904/Doras+Tree+with+Beila+v2.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><img border="0" data-original-height="810" data-original-width="1904" height="266" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEisYjENPS19Lki_qMeyXIVNW027QzogYfq_KJMCZMyWRHSZJwdy4W8KLRdpzMcMzJKmYICuTC9xZH9Ogiu5U3i8fECXpPZwMIMszbphMJRnuAlBm6k99m7kgizB9NwpkGmcLicRfJq_vIqn/w625-h266/Doras+Tree+with+Beila+v2.png" width="625" /></span></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">NB: I haven't shown Benjamin's daughter Beila 3 in this Tree, as the whole thing is just getting too crowded.</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><p style="color: #2d6516; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b>Sorted</b></span></p><p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">I thought I had this sorted a month ago. I even posted #14, and thought, that's it, onward and upward. Next! However, on re-reading, there were several things I wasn't happy with. I revised, rephrased, re-drew the Trees, then revised, rephrased and re-drew again, and eventually split the analysis into two sections. Dora's story now spreads over 7 posts, that have taken 6 weeks to put together. I'm going to stick with this version, until I see reason to change it, of course.</span></p><p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></p><p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;">Many thanks to Jennifer and other descendants who have interrogated relatives, trawled through websites, paid for research, and drafted Trees, and also shared their DNA with me, whether they realise it or not. And especial thanks to </span><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; color: #0000e9; text-decoration: underline;">Genetic Affairs</span><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;">, whose </span><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; color: #0000e9; text-decoration: underline;">AutoClusters provided the clues</span><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;"> and pointed the way.</span></span></p><p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; min-height: 19px; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;"></span><br /></span></p><p style="font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; margin: 0px; text-align: left;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none; font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;">But this journey is not over yet. There are at least 4 more Zaturenskys to come, wending their way over the water from Pinsk to Peoria. But we can relax a bit, I don't think any of their stories are quite as complicated as Dora's.</span></p></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><br /></span></div></div><div><br /></div>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-77645803576597750992020-05-17T19:38:00.112+01:002020-12-15T13:08:51.866+00:00Moshe Chaim, Czar of Pinsk: #14 Dora and Ockham's Razor<span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #274e13;">The story so far</span></b> <br /> Dora Zaturensky was the sister - or half-sister, maybe - of my great-grandmother Shprintsa. <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/04/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-9-doras-story.html">Their father Movsha may have had 2 wives</a>; Shprintsa was born in 1858, and may have been the daughter of the first wife, and Dora, b 1869, the daughter of the second. <br /> <br />I have identified DNA matches with 2 of Dora's great-grandchildren, Cousin Paul and Cousin David. David is a descendant of Dora's first husband, Gitelman (we don't know his given name), whilst Paul is from her second husband, Jacob Kawin. <br /> <br /> <a href="https://draft.blogger.com/#"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjDFt0cq9kqOr3Z8whosu80zMylY61uyYYT1Bu86XEiRRHiFsNoWZY7UtExckcqPsuk-GhFM887a57wuYdEhl9dOuhgsYNwxPrk_m8MBm4hCrZm35NcE3DllSgx933dFzHE-S8kVDtlwjQf/s640/Dora+and+me+Tree.png" /></a> <br /> <br /> The paper trail says I have exactly the same relationship to both Paul and David: half-3rd Cousin. So why is there such a huge difference between the amounts of DNA I share with them? Or, to ask the question another way around: why do I share so much more DNA with a Kawin descendant than I do with a Gitelman one?<br /> <br /> I've had a question like this before, in this same family. In that case, it seemed the solution was that there was probably a double relationship somewhere along the line - that Movsha's son <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-6-it-takes.html">Shmuel had married his cousin Rochel Leah</a>, for instance. Is something similar happening here?<br /> <br /> For this to be the case, I would have to have a single relationship with David, via Dora, and a double relationship with Paul. This second relationship could occur at any point in the Tree I have researched so far - via Paul's father's family (which I think is most unlikely, having had a quick look at his ancestry), that of his maternal grandmother Alice Cowan (wife of Sam Kawin), which also seems unlikely, or through Jacob Kawin himself. And the implication of this is that Jacob and Dora would have to be be fairly close cousins.<br /> <br /> In other words, one of Dora's parents would have to be a sibling to one of Joseph's: either Dora's mother ('2nd wife' in the Tree above) would be a Kawin, ie a sister to Joseph's father Max, or Joseph's mother would be a Zaturensky, a sister to Dora's father Movsha. We don't have any information on Dora's mother, but we do have several references to Joseph's mother as 'Hinda Sandusky'. It is possible that this could be a variant on 'Zaturensky', but the Sandusky name does occur in several places, and in any case it's not a very convincing rendition of Zaturensky. At the moment I'm tending towards Dora's mother being the connection.<br /> <br /><b><span style="color: #274e13;"> A tantalising Tree</span></b><br /> Then I came across this tantalising clip from a Tree on the <a href="https://www.jewishgen.org/gedcom/ftjp.asp" target="_blank">JewishGen 'Family Tree of the Jewish People'</a> (log in required). It was posted nearly 20 years ago, at a time when it was not possible to do much online research, so I'm assuming it's the product of family knowledge, and possibly some archival research in Belarus. I've written to the person who posted it, asking where the information comes from; fingers crossed I'll get a response!<br /> <br /> <a href="https://draft.blogger.com/#"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg0i3sPxdPxe5HSrg4ao_qLl3FmeMk8oZMyMz2Lw0a5MChR5x2ve1IOAUI_1nG2evEE5YqPsvmUj4NUZCA8rs_9t6q1Ow6YN4clW1VmQpsiOEWEjpHqU960wCAfZjqoddkIpO3V5J1x42ob/s640/Benjamin+Lipschitz+Gitelman+Kawin+FTJP+clip.png" /></a> <br /> The layout is not 100% clear, but it seems to be saying that Benjamin is the son of a Mosha Lipschitz from Pinsk, who died in 1886, the same year as Benjamin was born. The mother is unknown, but she is not Dora, who seems to be Mosha's second wife. The dates given here suggest Dora must have married at the age of 14, though we have her down elsewhere as born in 1869, which would make her 17 at the time of this marriage.<br /><br />In addition, if Benjamin is the son not of Dora but of an earlier wife, this first wife would need to be closely related to Dora - preferably a sister - so as to retain my DNA relationship with David (see my draft Tree above).<br /><br /><b><span style="color: #274e13;">Fact or fancy?<br /></span></b>All this suggests the following scenario:<br /> <br />1 Mosha Lipschitz and first wife have child Benjamin in Nov 1886<br />2 maybe first wife dies in childbirth or shortly after<br />3 Mosha remarries immediately, to Dora<br />4 Mosha himself dies<br />5 Dora packs her bags and goes off to Peoria to marry Jacob Kawin, leaving her stepson Benjamin behind<br /><br /> - all in a matter of weeks.<br /><br />Oh dear. There's too much going on here, and it's putting a tremendous weight on Dora's 17-year old shoulders. I'm not happy with it.<br /><br /><b><span style="color: #274e13;">Ockham's Razor</span></b><br /> At this point I am reminded of the wise words of the medieval philosopher <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor" target="_blank">William of Ockham</a>, who is reputed to have argued along the lines of "Don't make an explanation more complicated than it needs to be", or, as expressed by Bertrand Russell, "always opt for an explanation in terms of the fewest possible causes".<br /><br />So what can we identify as the "fewest possible causes" in this case? Looking at our suggested scenario again, the only things we can take as fact are:<br /><br />1 Benjamin was born around 1886, probably in Pinsk<br />and<br />5 Dora went to the US around 1887, probably from Pinsk<br /><br />Plus,<br />6 <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/05/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-11-doras-four.html">We have seen that Benjamin brought his own family</a> from Pinsk to Peoria in 1922, and lived for 20 years or so in a house built in Dora's back yard<br />7 I have the DNA relationship with David and Paul outlined above<br /><br />Do we really need 2, 3 and 4 to explain 6 and 7? <br /><br /><b><span style="color: #274e13;">A closer shave</span></b><br />What happens if we apply Ockham's Razor to this scenario, and shave off the bits we don't need? How about discarding the marriage between Dora and Mosha Lipshits shown in the Tree above? We have no evidence for it, or reference to it, other than this Tree, and this Tree shows no sources, and could be wrong.<br /><br />The consequences for Dora's story would be:<br />2 Mosha's wife does not need to die at this point<br />3 Mosha does not need to remarry, so he does not marry Dora<br />4 we no longer need to 'free' Dora from the marriage to Mosha, nor do we need to posit his death at this point<br /><br />That feels better.<br /><br /><b><span style="color: #274e13;">Wanted: a sister for Dora</span></b><br />In fact, it feels much better. Applying the razor leaves both of our outstanding queries untouched. Point 6 - Benjamin coming to live next door to Dora in Peoria, and point 7 - my DNA matches with Paul and David, are covered by just one assumption: that Benjamin's mother is indeed a sister of Dora.<br /><br />This implies that when Benjamin emigrates to Peoria, he is going to live close by his Aunt and Cousins. We know he took on their surname, Kawin, shortly after arriving in the US. And it would not affect my DNA relationship with David. Our Common Ancestor would still be my great-great-grandfather Movsha Zaturensky.<br /><br />The only problem is, we don't have an eligible sister for Dora.</span>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-25507994268977504112020-05-14T19:58:00.001+01:002020-12-15T12:01:24.043+00:00Moshe Chaim, Czar of Pinsk: #13 Schrödinger's Rabbi<span style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">A crucial year</span></b><br />
1900 has now become a crucial year for Dora Zaturensky, sister of my great-grandmother Shprintsa (see <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/04/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-9-doras-story.html" target="_blank">#9: Dora's Story</a> onwards, for her story so far). The US Census, taken on 2 June, finds her living in Peoria, Illinois, in the house at 108 Gallatin Street that she has been in for a couple of years or more, with her two sons Abraham and Samuel. Her husband Joseph had died in 1897.<br />
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This is the first US Census that Dora and the boys appear on, so we need to pay attention to what she says. Dora is born in July 1870, she's a widow, and has had 4 children, of whom 2 are living. Abe is born Dec 1888, Samuel Dec 1889. She also says she emigrated in 1888, when by her own account she would have been 18.<br />
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Who are the 2 other children that she says are no longer living? They could have been born before she immigrated to the US in 1888. That would imply 2 children born before she was 18, that she left behind in order to emigrate to the USA, where she immediately married Joseph Kawin and had 2 more in quick succession. Or they could be 2 children born with Joseph in Peoria, who did not survive; there is no record of any such births, or deaths, but records from Peoria are quite erratic for this period, so it is still a possibility.<br />
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Or at least it would be a possibility, if Benjamin Gitelman hadn't arrived from Pinsk in 1922 acting for all the world like her long lost son, and claiming a brother Hirsz back in Pinsk (<a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/05/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-11-doras-four.html" target="_blank">see previous post</a>). So I'm going with the 4 births story until I come across evidence to the contrary, even if it implies that she had her first child at 15 or 16, if her stated birth date of 1870 is to be believed. And of course the arrival of Benjamin confirms that, although she said in 1900 that the two sons she had left behind in Pinsk had died, they were in fact still very much alive.<br />
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What about her husband-to-be Ephraim Goldberg, who she married 2 months later in Chicago? Where was he in June, when the Census was taken?<br />
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Well, he's in Peoria, at 608 Johnson Street, about a quarter of a mile from Dora's house at 108 Gallatin Street. And he's a Rabbi. So maybe they could have met in the street, or at the synagogue. He's a widower, he immigrated in 1880, and has a son Julius aged 10. And he's down as Efrof, which didn't make him any easier to find.<br />
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He also appears in the 1900 Peoria Directory, as Rev. Ephraim Goldberg. He's at a different address, 1509 S Adams Street. Maybe he moved house between the time the Directory was compiled, and 2 June, the date of the Census.<br />
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Just a minute. Who's this other Goldberg - Frank, the butcher, boarding at 108 Gallatin? Isn't that our Dora's house?<br />
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Are you thinking what I'm thinking?<br />
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Is this Ephraim the Rabbi, under a different name, and with a different occupation, by any chance? In two places at the same time? Schrödinger's Rabbi?<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">Ephraim Goldberg: The back-story</span></b><br />
At this point I went off for a week or so, looking for Ephraim Goldberg's back-story. His forward story turned out to be quite interesting, too. I've had to compile a 2-page timeline to try to pin him down. He has a story of his own, what follows is a brief summary of those bits that concern Dora.<br />
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Ephraim Goldberg seems to have been born in Suwalki, Poland around 1851. He first appears in the US in the early 1870s, with his wife Rosa and a number of children. In the 1880 Census they're in Chicago, and he's a Hebrew Teacher. He's still a Teacher in Chicago in 1889 and 1891, but he's clearly having problems with his given name, which appears as 'Abe' on the birth record of his son Julian in 1889.<br />
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From 1892 to 1895 he's in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, as a Butcher. He has a child there in 1892, Rachel Leah. I may be willing to write up my analysis of her birth registration document, for a reasonable fee.<br />
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He does not reappear in Milwaukee, but there is an Ephraim who appears amongst the 200-odd Goldbergs in the Chicago Directories between 1896-99. This Ephraim is a labourer in these listings; there are a few butchers, and one or two teachers, but none of them appear to be our man, and there are no rabbis at all. This one could be him, or he could have spent these years somewhere else entirely, in a place we haven't got the Directories for.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">The irregular Schochet</span></b><br />
Then this cropped up, thanks to an eagle-eyed member of the Tracing the Tribe Group on Facebook. It's from The Inter Ocean, a Chicago newspaper, dated 8 August 1895:<br />
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Is the schochet - kosher slaughterer - named in this report, 'Mr Goldberg', the same person as the Frank Goldberg, butcher, who 5 years later we find boarding with Dora in Peoria? As I mentioned above, there were a few butchers called Goldberg in Chicago at the time, and the Ephraim listed in the Directories is a 'labourer'. As yet, I have found no other reference to this incident, so for the moment at least I'm agnostic on this one. But it's a lovely story.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">Dora with Ephraim</span></b><br />
Then in 1900, Ephraim enters Dora's life. His wife Rose dies on 30 April, in Chicago. In the Census, taken on 11 June, he's in Peoria, as above. The 1900 Peoria Directory (above) shows him living in two places at once, with two names and two occupations: Ephraim the Rabbi and Frank the Butcher, boarding with Dora. In the Census he has his son Julius with him; we later find his 7 year-old daughter Rachel Leah (see above), now known as 'Lillie', living with her older sister Emilia, or 'Millie', in Chicago.<br />
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He marries Dora in Chicago on 14 August, and within a year their child Sarah is born in the small town of Oskaloosa, in Iowa (see previous post for the <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/05/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-12-dora-and.html" target="_blank">delayed birth certificate</a>).<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">Dora without Ephraim</span></b><br />
At this point Ephraim seems to disappear from the records. I can find no further reference to either Ephraim or Dora until the 1910 Census, which brings its own puzzles. As we have seen, Dora and her daughter Sarah are Goldbergs, and her sons Abraham and Sam are Kawins, and they are in Chicago. Dora is 'married', but no husband is listed as living with them.<br />
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He's in Whiting (Indiana), a Rabbi. He has his 17 year-old daughter Lillie living with him. He's been married for 9 years, but there's no wife listed - as we know, Dora is in Chicago at this point. So they are living apart, each with their own children, but both attest to being married, presumably to each other. At the moment I don't know when Dora and the children moved to Chicago, or when or why Ephraim found his way to Whiting.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">The Wandering Rabbi</span></b><br />
Ephraim then embarks on a series of rabbinical appointments across the mid-West, in places like Fort Wayne (Indiana), where he's a 'Grocer'; Muncie and then Marion (Indiana); and Wausau (Wisconsin). Throughout this period he is with a wife Katie; there is a son Israel aged 9 with them in the 1920 Census. I did start looking into this relationship, but didn't get very far. Life's too short.<br />
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Ephraim eventually dies in Chicago in 1926. On his death record, his occupation is shown not as 'Rabbi', but 'Schochet'. So maybe it was him in the Chicago kosher meat scandal of 1895, after all.<br />
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I keep asking myself - why am I researching this man? Well, I respond, he's the father of Sarah, one of Dora's children, and Dora is the sister of my great-grandmother. I may one day stumble upon a DNA match with one of Sarah's descendants. And understanding these half-sibling relationships could help us to unravel the story the DNA is trying to tell us. Or it could just tie us up in even more tangled knots, of course.<br />
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<br />Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-71017011457600125352020-05-05T16:13:00.002+01:002020-12-15T12:00:06.827+00:00Moshe Chaim, Czar of Pinsk: #12 Dora and the Rabbi<span style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Where did Sarah come from?</span></b><br />
At this point, we have found that my great-grandmother's sister, Dora Zaturensky b 1870 in Pinsk, Russia, seems to have had <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/05/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-11-doras-four.html" target="_blank">4 or possibly 5 children, by three different husbands</a>:<br />
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1 unidentified Gitelman: Benjamin b 1886 (and possibly Hirsz), both born in Pinsk, Russia<br />
2 Joseph Kawin: Abraham b 1888 and Samuel b 1890, both in Peoria, Illinois; Joseph died in 1897<br />
3 unknown: Sarah b 1901/4, Iowa<br />
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We have encountered Benjamin, Abraham and Sam in previous posts. The earliest reference I had to Sarah was when <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/04/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-10-theres.html" target="_blank">she appeared out of the blue</a> in the 1920 Census, living with Dora in Los Angeles as a fully-fledged 18 year-old daughter. Where had she come from? I couldn't find them anywhere in the 1910 Census. I knew that Abraham and Sam were in LA by 1913, but didn't know when they had got there.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">Cardinal sin</span></b><br />
And then it struck me that I had committed the genealogist's cardinal sin - I had been looking in the 1910 Census for Dora and Sarah Kawin, as I knew them, and couldn't find them. But I had neglected to do a search on the other members of the family, Abraham and Sam. So I did, and they turned up immediately, in Chicago:<br />
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There they were, with their mother and sister. Who are now both Goldbergs.<br />
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Goldbergs? Where had that come from? Dora is listed as being in her second marriage (M2). She has been in this marriage for 6 years, and has had 3 children, all living; we presume she is referring to the 3 currently living with her. All this doesn't quite tally with what we think we know (see above), but nothing ever does, and it's not crucial here, so we won't lose any sleep over it for the moment.<br />
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However, if Dora has been in this Goldberg marriage for 6 years, and Sarah is a Goldberg and is 8 years old, how does that add up? And if she is married, who is her husband, and where is he?<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">"I had to go for the doctor"</span></b><br />
I soon found out who he was. The State of Iowa has a collection of 'Delayed Birth Records', and this is from 1942:<br />
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Sam Kawin attests to the birth of Sarah Goldberg in Oskaloosa, Iowa, on 3 June 1901. The affidavit asks for details of the parents:<br />
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The mother is Dora Teranski, as Sam was later to identify her on her death certificate (Toranski). The father is Ephraim Goldberg, a "Jewish Rabbi", some 15 years older than Dora.<br />
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"I was 11 years of age at the time of her birth. She is my half-sister, and I resided in Oskaloosa at that time, and remember the incident quite well, as I had to go for the doctor."<br />
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The birth is "legitimate" (see above), so there should be a marriage, somewhere, between Dora and Ephraim some time between the Census of June 1900, where she was Dora Kawin, and this birth in June 1901.<br />
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And it shouldn't be too hard to pin down a rabbi, should it?<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">Pinning down the Rabbi</span></b><br />
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Married in Chicago, 14 August 1900. The Census on 2 June had her in Peoria, where she had been living for 12 years or so since immigrating to the USA; now, 2 months later, she's marrying in Chicago, 170 miles away. Maybe Ephraim was from Chicago, so they got married there. At least it shows everything was kosher.</span></div>
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Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-13993820038669638622020-05-02T19:40:00.001+01:002020-12-15T11:59:01.395+00:00Moshe Chaim, Czar of Pinsk: #11 Dora's four by three<span style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">1920 - Dora and her daughter</span></b><br />
When we found <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/04/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-10-theres.html" target="_blank">Dora Kawin (née Zaturensky) in the 1920 Census</a> in Los Angeles, she was living with her son Sam, and her new - to us, at least - 18 year-old daughter Sarah. They were living at 468 West 46th Street, and there is no-one else registered at that address. Looking down the page, it looks like a street of one-family houses, rather than apartment blocks - and a quick check on present-day Real Estate websites confirms this. In fact several of them say the present building dates from 1922, so perhaps Dora was in an earlier building on the same plot in 1920?<br />
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Her other son, Abraham, is not there, because he had been called up for military service in 1917, and sadly was killed in action in France in October 1918, just a few weeks from the end of World War 1.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">1910 - a mystery</span></b><br />
Intrigued by the unexpected appearance of Dora's daughter Sarah in 1920, I looked for them in the previous Census, in 1910, when Sarah would have been around 8 years old. I couldn't find them. Where could they be? Maybe there was a spelling change that the searches were not picking up.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">1930 - a surprise</span></b><br />
So I looked at the next Census, in 1930, and found them this time, at the same address in LA:<br />
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Wow!<br />
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Two Kawin households, next door to each other! In the first one, at 468, is Dora, together with Sarah, who appears to have married, had a child, and divorced since the last Census. I'm itching to get on to 470, the the house next door, to see who the other family are, but before we do that, let's have a quick look at the dates suggested in the entries for Dora and Sarah:<br />
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Dora: age 61, so born 1869, Russia; first marriage at 17, so married 1886<br />
Sarah: age 26, so born 1904, Iowa; first marriage at 18, so married 1922; looks like she has retained her married surname, Garbus.<br />
Albert: age 7, so born 1923, California<br />
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Notice that Dora's date of birth seems to be creeping backwards at every count - I think the first estimate we found was 1872. And as I've suggested before, these details could be crucial.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">And next door is ...</span></b><br />
So who's this next door in 470? Benjamin Kawin and family? Kawin?? My genealogical antennae are twitching. Whenever I see two families with the same surname living in the same or adjacent dwellings - especially if there's no-one else in town with the same name, who I can't already account for - I immediately start wondering how they're related. And I'm wondering how come I've not spotted them before, either in LA or Peoria.<br />
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And then I notice (not shown here), that Benjamin and all his family were born in Russia, and immigrated in 1922. Let's just make a note of his dates:<br />
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Benjamin: age 43, so born 1887 Russia; first marriage at 23, so married 1910 Russia; immigrated 1922.<br />
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Thinking cap on.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">Who is Benjamin Kawin?</span></b><br />
We've seen that Dora's husband Joseph Kawin was born in Pinsk in 1863, and came to the USA in 1871, with his mother and all his siblings. His father Max had gone before. So Benjamin, born in Russia in 1887, cannot be a sibling of Joseph. And he's almost certainly not a son, because Joseph has been in the USA since 1871. Maybe he's a Kawin-side cousin, son of a brother of Joseph's father, Max?<br />
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So let's see if we can check his Passenger Manifest, maybe we'll see who he was leaving behind in Russia, and who he was going to in America. It shouldn't be too hard to find - as we've seen, Kawin is not that common a name. It turns out that it's so uncommon, that it's not there at all. There's no record of a Benjamin Kawin, any spelling, arriving in the USA in 1922. Or any other year.<br />
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Thinking cap on again.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">No, really. Who is Benjamin Kawin?</span></b><br />
He claims to have naturalised. Let's look for that. You've guessed. There's no record of a Benjamin Kawin, any spelling, naturalising in the USA between 1922 and 1930. Or any other year.<br />
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Then we stumble upon his Draft Registration Card from 1942:<br />
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Benjamin Kawin Gitelman, with the <strike>Gitelman</strike> struck through! So he was a Gitelman, and changed his name to Kawin. Why? And how come he's found his way to the house next door to Dora?<br />
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And can we now find a Manifest for him, and his Naturalisation documents, under his <strike>new</strike>, sorry make that his old, name?<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">Benjamin Gitelman, Manifest thyself!</span></b><br />
Of course we can. The whole family sailed from Antwerp to New York on 23 November 1922. He's 36, so born in 1885/6. And who is his nearest relative in Poland (Pinsk was in Poland between the Wars)?<br />
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His brother Hirsz Gittelman in Pinsk. And he's heading for Los Angeles. Who is he going to, in LA?<br />
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Why, to his brother - sorry, make that his half-brother - Sam Ravin (known to us of course as Sam Kawin), of 468 West 46th Street, Los Angeles.<br />
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Wait a minute .... Half-brother? That must mean they share one parent, not two. Which one? Let's check what we have on these two at the moment:<br />
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Benjamin: born 1885/6 in Pinsk, father a Gitelman<br />
Sam: born 1890 in Peoria, father Joseph Kawin<br />
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It's not the father.<br />
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It must be the mother.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">Dora's new son</span></b><br />
Dora has a new son. Well, she had him 36 years ago, but he's new to us. And he's brought his family all the way from Pinsk to Los Angeles, to live next door.<br />
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All this is confirmed in Benjamin's death record:<br />
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It's as our thinking cap has suggested - his mother was a Terensky, or as we know her, Zaturensky. He was born in Pinsk in 1886, when Dora was 17 years old; his father was a Gitelman, but we don't as yet have his given name. Dora left for America shortly after Benjamin was born, leaving him in Pinsk. The next thing we know of him is his arrival in New York in 1922.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">Dora's Timeline</span></b><br />
Let's have another look at Dora's dates, as best we can judge them at this point:<br />
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1869: born Dora Zaturensky in Pinsk, daughter of my great-great-grandfather Movsha<br />
1882: brother Shmuel (Simon Morris) emigrates to USA; he naturalises in Peoria in 1886<br />
1886: Dora marries a Gitelman in Pinsk<br />
1885/6: son Benjamin Gitelman born in Pinsk; possibly a second son Hirsz as well, if he's a full brother to Benjamin (if he's a half-brother, he would have a different mother)<br />
1888: 25 Dec, son Abraham Kawin born in Peoria, Illinois<br />
1890: 23 Nov, son Samuel Kawin born in Peoria<br />
1897: husband Joseph Kawin dies<br />
1900: Dora and the boys living in Peoria<br />
1901/04: daughter Sarah Kawin born in Iowa; but she can't be Joseph's daughter, he's been dead too long - so who is her father?<br />
1910: (haven't found them yet)<br />
1913: Dora, Abraham and Sam now living in Los Angeles<br />
1918: Abraham killed in France<br />
1922: Benjamin arrives from Pinsk with his family, and moves in next door<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">Dora's 4 by 3</span></b><br />
And here's Dora's Tree, as we have it so far - it may help to have a different visualisation:<br />
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She has 4 children, by three different fathers, born in 3 different places, in two different countries. We have no marriage records at all, no birth records for any of the children, and no passenger manifest for Dora's immigration. We don't know the given name of Benjamin's father, or who brought the baby up in his mother's absence. And we have no idea at all of the identity of Sarah's father.<br />
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And most intriguing of all, we have no idea why 18 year-old Dora left her baby Benjamin behind in Pinsk and travelled 5,000 miles across the ocean to marry a friend of her brother's that she had never met.<br />
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So plenty of fun ahead!</span>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-4308000676564997282020-04-30T19:27:00.001+01:002020-12-15T11:43:50.153+00:00Moshe Chaim, Czar of Pinsk: #10 There's more to Dora than meets the eye<span style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">No docs for Dora</span></b><br />
Key moments of <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/04/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-9-doras-story.html" target="_blank">Dora Zaturensky</a>'s life appear to be almost totally undocumented, so what follows is an attempt to piece together fragments of disconnected information into what I hope is at least a half-way coherent story.<br />
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Some things are certain:<br />
1) I have a <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/04/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-9-doras-story.html" target="_blank">strong DNA match</a> with one of her great-grandchildren, Cousin Paul, and a weaker one with another, Cousin David.<br />
2) Her father has the <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/04/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-9-doras-story.html" target="_blank">same name as my great-great-grandfather</a>, Movsha Zaturensky, he's from the same town, Pinsk, and was having children at about the same time. I deduce from this and the DNA connection that her father *is* my gg-g'f, that Dora is the sister of my g-g'm Shprintsa, and that Paul and David are 3C to me. There are virtually no documents openly available from Pinsk from this period, and none that mention any members of this family.<br />
3) Dora left Pinsk around 1887 and emigrated to the USA. She came to live in Peoria, Illinois, and married Joseph Kawin either just before or just after emigrating.<br />
4) She had two sons with Joseph, in Peoria: Abraham b 1888 and Samuel b 1890.<br />
5) Joseph died around 1897.<br />
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There appear to be no documents available for any of the events described in (3), (4) or (5) - no Passenger Manifests that I can identify as being for either Dora or Joseph, no Naturalisation documents, the 1890 US Census has been destroyed, there's no marriage record, no birth records for the sons, and no identifiable death record for Joseph. All the information presented here is either culled or inferred from later documents.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">Dora and the Kawins</span></b><br />
The first time I can find Dora on paper is in the Peoria Directory for 1898, as the widow of Joseph, living at 108 Gallatin Street:<br />
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As you can see, there is one other Kawin family in town, running a china store. They must be related to Joseph, but I have found no documentation to verify this. They are in Peoria in the 1880 Census, where the head of the family is Max.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">Who is Joseph?</span></b><br />
A second look at the 1880 Census reveals that one of Max Kawin's sons is a Jacob b 1862.<br />
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Are you thinking what I'm thinking?<br />
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Joseph is Jacob? Jacob is Joseph?<br />
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Or is he??<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">Not forgetting George</span></b><br />
Thinking on this question, and browsing through the Directory listings for Peoria on MyHeritage, I stumbled across a feature I had not noticed there before. You can do a "who else lived at this address" search. It returns matches for the address across all years, but could be very useful for answering questions for the years between censuses, when you have to be a very lucky researcher indeed to locate that information.<br />
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So I checked Joseph's entry for 1890:<br />
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And then I did the "who else ... " search on his address, 303 Gallatin. I found this in 1891:<br />
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George Kawin? Who is he? He's not in Max Kawin's family. He's a peddler, like Joseph the year before. Come to that, where's Joseph? Hmm.<br />
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So I followed up on George. There is only one other entry for him on the whole of the internet (trust me), this one for 1892:<br />
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He's moved down the street to number 414. And still no Joseph. Hmm again.<br />
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Let's try the "who else .. " search again on MyH, and see who turns up in 414:<br />
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Hello, hello! It's our old friend <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-7-morris-men.html" target="_blank">Simon Moses</a>! Or Shmuel Zaturensky, as we prefer to call him. And this entry is also for 1892 - so this time we've got two people in the same house at the same time. And they are two people that we know quite well: Shmuel is of course the brother of Dora, and Dora, as we know, is married to Joseph/Jacob Kawin.<br />
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Are you thinking what I'm thinking (again)? Is George just another name for Joseph? And are George, Joseph and Jacob all the same person?<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">Why Peoria?</span></b><br />
Once I had reached that, albeit tentative, conclusion, I decided to follow this Kawin family through. I found that Jacob had arrived in the USA aged 8 with his mother Hinda and 4 siblings in 1871. They came from Volkovisk, in what is now western Belarus, about 100 miles NW of Pinsk, and settled in Peoria. Dora was born around that date, in Pinsk, and seems to have emigrated, on her own, around 1887, aged about 16, although as yet I have not found a Passenger Manifest for her. She must have married Jacob/Joseph/George soon after arriving, as Abraham appears to have been born around 1888-89, in Peoria. Bear with me, these dates are crucial.<br />
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All this raises more questions. Why did she come to Peoria, specifically? The most likely explanation is that her brother Shmuel was already there - <a href="https://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-7-morris-men.html" target="_blank">he had obtained US Naturalisation as Simon Moses</a> in 1886, in Peoria, so must have been in the USA for a number of years prior to that. He would have known the Kawin family, who were well established in the town by then, and was a similar age to Jacob/Joseph/George. Did Shmuel suggest she come over to marry his friend? As we have just seen, Shmuel was living with Dora and Joseph/Jacob/George a few years later.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">Dora's daughter</span></b><br />
In the 1900 Census, 3 years after the death of Jacob/Joseph/George, Dora and her two sons Abraham and Samuel are in Peoria, at 108 Gallatin Street, the same house as in the 1898 Directory. <br />
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I couldn't find Dora at first in the 1910 Census (more on this later), but from 1913 onwards they all start showing up in Los Angeles. In several Directories there, she is listed again as "widow of Joseph".<br />
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And then, in the 1920 Census, a strange thing happens:<br />
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a) Sarah is Joseph's daughter, was born in 1898, was left off the 1900 Census by accident, and has been falsifying her date of birth ever since.</span></div>
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b) Sarah was indeed born in 1901/2, and so is not Joseph's daughter. In which case, whose daughter is she? And why can't I find them in the 1910 Census?</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">Who is Dora?</span></b><br />
A couple of the Trees I was looking at referenced a Dora Turansky, married to a husband with the surname Kawin. 'Turansky' sounds like she could be a Zaturensky, so I am definitely interested. However, these Trees do not link Dora to any of the other 'Terensky' families.<br />
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One of the Trees in which Dora appeared was that of someone called Paul, who seemed from the Tree to be her great-grandson (he's the 'Private' above). Paul's DNA match to me is 138 cM, which suggests something in the region of Third Cousin. This implies that our common ancestor could be at the level of great-great-grandparents, ie in the generation prior to Dora.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">The finger of suspicion</span></b><br />
Just a minute. If Dora's father is to be the common ancestor for Cousin Paul and myself, and if the name Turansky comes to her from him, the finger of suspicion is pointing straight at my own great-great-grandfather, Movsha Zaturensky. In which case Dora would be the sister of my great-grandmother, Shprintsa.<br />
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So where can we find the name of Dora's father? Is he my Movsha? He's 'D Turansky' in Paul's Tree, but there doesn't seem to be any documentary evidence for this 'D'. Well, death records sometimes name the deceased's father ....<br />
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This appears to be the right person. It carries her father's surname, Toransky, but not his given name. Bear in mind that this record is just an index, and that the original may contain more information. Maybe if we can find the original death certificate ...<br />
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And here she is:<br />
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Aha! Born in Pinsk - sounds promising. And the informant is her son, Sam. He should know.<br />
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But look at her father: Morris Toransky, also born in Pinsk!<br />
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This has to be my Movsha Zaturensky!!<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">Another sibling for Shprintsa</span></b><br />
So my great-grandmother Shprintsa has another sibling, Dora, to add to the one we found earlier: Shmuel (Simon Morris). Movsha Zaturensky does indeed have 3 children, as was suggested in <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-8-brothers.html" target="_blank">Cousin Jennifer's Tree</a> - except, two of them are daughters, Shprintsa and Dora, where Jennifer shows her with 3 sons. [We'll come back to the two sons who she shows at the head of the Terence and Trent lines in a later post.]<br />
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<span style="font-size: medium;"><b><span style="color: #38761d;">More to Dora</span></b><br />
But there's more to Dora than meets the eye. You may have noticed that Paul's tree gives her mother as 'Chana', whereas Jennifer and I have the mother of Shprintsa and Shmuel as 'Baila'. I must say that I have not as yet seen any documentary evidence for either of these names, but the dates of birth suggest that the two-mother scenario could be a possibility. The best bets we have at the moment for these three siblings are:<br />
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Shprintsa b 1858<br />
Shmuel b 1864<br />
Dora b 1870<br />
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So it's certainly possible that Movsha's first wife - Baila? - could have died after having Shprintsa and Shmuel, and that he then married - Chana? - some time after 1864, and Dora was born a few years later.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">Back to the DNA</span></b><br />
This scenario has DNA implications, of course. It would reduce the amount of DNA I share with cousins descended from Dora, such as Paul. I would only share one gg-g'parent with them (Movsha, but not Chana), as against the two I share with Private Morris, and also Cousins Jennifer and Rebecca (all Movsha and Baila). Always remembering that I strongly suspect that <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-6-it-takes.html" target="_blank">Shmuel married his First Cousin Rochel Leah</a>, so my relationship with this branch is doubled, with further implications for DNA sharing.<br />
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At this point I will throw in another member of the original <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-2-cluster-club.html" target="_blank">Cluster Club</a>, Cousin David, who is also descended from Dora, and who I believe is a half-2C to Paul (that's another story). You will notice that I share a whole lot less DNA with David than I do with Paul ...<br />
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Here are the numbers, with my current estimate of the relationships, and the names of the Most Recent Common Ancestors, assuming the double- and half-cousin scenarios outlined above:<br />
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As you can see, my matches with Paul and David are in different territories - and yet the paper trail says they have the same relationship to me, ie Half-Third Cousins. Whilst the cM I share with Half-Cousin Paul suggests he should belong in the same category as the Double-Cousins Jennifer and Rebecca.<br />
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Oy veh!</span>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548626698050440907.post-61930862149433298492020-03-30T16:08:00.002+01:002020-12-15T11:42:11.622+00:00Moshe Chaim, Czar of Pinsk: #8 Brothers and More Brothers<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">Top of the Tree</span></b><br />
To recapitulate briefly, we have established that the head of our Zaturensky clan is Chaim, and that he has two sons:<br />
1) Moshe, who has a son Shmuel and a daughter Shprintsa (my great-grandmother)<br />
2) Meir, who has a daughter Rochel Leah<br />
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NB: see this Tree in <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-6-it-takes.html" target="_blank">#6 It Takes Two Teranskys to Tango</a><br />
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Shmuel emigrates to the USA, changes his name to Simon Moses, and marries his cousin Rochel Leah. Shprintsa stays in Pinsk, marries Nevakh Schreibman, and does not emigrate. My mystery match Private Morris is descended from Shmuel and Rochel Leah, as are another match Rebecca and her sister Jennifer.<br />
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But who are the other members of the <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-2-cluster-club.html" target="_blank">Terensky Cluster Club</a>, and how do they all fit together? Some have not posted Trees, but of those that have, Jennifer's (above) is by far the most developed. When I first saw her Tree, she did not have a name for the patriarch, he was just 'Terensky'; after our initial conversations a few weeks ago, she has named him as I have: Chaim Zaturensky.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">Three Siblings, Twice Over</span></b><br />
However, it is the rest of the Tree that is intriguing. She has Chaim with 3 children: Herman (who is really Moshe) and two others. Looking at Herman, he is shown with a wife Bailie Czar, and 3 children - Simon Morris with his wife Elizabeth (originally Shmuel and Rochel Leah), and two others, one named Trent, the other Terence. These last are surnames, not given names; they both look like adaptations of Terensky, so the likelihood is they are probably both male. Outside the Simon Morris line, only one given name appears to be known (Beylya).<br />
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What I find intriguing in this Tree is that, despite the lack of names, it clearly shows knowledge about the 'shape' of the family, as well as the name changes. The patriarch has 3 sons. One of those has a daughter who marries a Gitelman, another is Herman, who stands at the head of the Morris line, and about the third we are told nothing at all, except that he exists. There must have been a family story about 3 brothers, otherwise why include him?.<br />
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Something similar happens in the succeeding generation, within Herman's own line. He has 3 sons, but the only given name we see is Simon. However the family does appear to know that the others adopted different surnames: Terence and Trent. Which suggests there's another family story about 3 brothers.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">One of the Clan</span></b><br />
Note that the current generation do not appear to know that Simon's wife Elizabeth/Rochel Leah is also member of our Zaturensky clan. I am only in a position to suggest that she is, because a) I have found <a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-6-it-takes.html" target="_blank">documentation that she is a Teransky from Pinsk</a>, which some of the others don't seem to have found, and b) the strength of my DNA match to Private Morris indicates that there could well be a second strand to our relationship. There is a good possibility that (a) explains (b). This would require her father Meir to be a brother to Moshe/Herman (<a href="http://twentyone-seven.blogspot.com/2020/03/moshe-chaim-czar-of-pinsk-6-it-takes.html" target="_blank">see #6 again</a>). Might Meir be the lonely 'no-name Terensky' we see in Jennifer's Tree, next to Herman?<br />
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<b><span style="color: #38761d;">My Clustered Cousins</span></b><br />
So who are the unnamed siblings in this Tree? Are their families correctly located? And is this where we will find the remaining members of the Cluster Club, who should all turn out to be Third or maybe Fourth Cousins to me? The first two questions need a bit more work, but I can tell you now that the answer to the last question is "Yes".</span>Michael Shadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03769991041294693716noreply@blogger.com0